Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

To be fair, I will advise you ahead of time that this is a rhetorical question.

 
Don't worry, no one except luvthe9 takes you seriously.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Who should I suppose to believe?
 
Pat, Brian and Roland or Bill McKee?

 
 
Whoever repeats their posts with BIG BOLD text and reminds you they are leaving soon, really. Promise.  I am not sure which of the two themes is more important.  Sorry.  

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
Whoever repeats their posts with BIG BOLD text and reminds you they are leaving soon, really. Promise.  I am not sure which of the two themes is more important.  Sorry.  

Me leaving is indeed "important."  You commenting on it is a lifetime keepsake! RR
 
[SIZE=28pt]The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the BPR turned down MOU I. Pat, Brian, and especialy Roland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal. Next time you see Roland at a meeting, pull him aside and ask him if he would have preferred MOU I over II. He will tell you with MOU I in his pocket he could have done BETTER than MOU II later on. But that did not happen, the BPR did as you mention (and as the majority of our pilots believe) and held out dangerously for MOU II. We came very close to simply being left behind. When it did come down to the wire on II, the head of the UCC made it clear he was not going to risk the great returns he was getting for his clients waiting for your group to be satisfied. Please, ask Roland. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=28pt]Bottom line is we paid and supposedly trusted a very talented group of advisors, including the long promised “professional negotiator” Wilder..and we did not listen to them. We are damn lucky (yes lucky) we got anything. Dec 9th could had come and gone, the merger would have happened, and we would still be under LOA 93 for another 18 or so months waiting for single carrier status. All these years of getting the short end by letting “pilots” do our bidding, and we finally get it right..and ignore the process and advice. I am convinced if we had even another pension this group (most of you on this forum) would be stupid enough to lose it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=28pt]RR[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

Here he goes! The mustachioed "founding SCAB father"

The founding USAPA father did not have a mustache and he was not a scab.  He showed a lot of courage in the face of adversity and deserves the utmost respect from present and future airline pilots, as does the team that surrounded him in the beginning.   
 
History will be kind to him.  Your west pilot heritage has not and will not in the future, be regarded as any compelling part of the advancement of the pilot profession.   

 

[traderjake]

 
 
[SIZE=28pt]The method you suggest .....[/SIZE]
 

 
Can you make that a little bigger, some of us still can't see it.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Can you make that a little bigger, some of us still can't see it.

 
 
I no longer have to say "sorry".  You have your answer.   😀

 

[Claxon]

Me leaving is indeed "important."  You commenting on it is a lifetime keepsake! RR
 
The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the BPR turned down MOU I. Pat, Brian, and especialy Roland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal. Next time you see Roland at a meeting, pull him aside and ask him if he would have preferred MOU I over II. He will tell you with MOU I in his pocket he could have done BETTER than MOU II later on. But that did not happen, the BPR did as you mention (and as the majority of our pilots believe) and held out dangerously for MOU II. We came very close to simply being left behind. When it did come down to the wire on II, the head of the UCC made it clear he was not going to risk the great returns he was getting for his clients waiting for your group to be satisfied. Please, ask Roland.
Bottom line is we paid and supposedly trusted a very talented group of advisors, including the long promised “professional negotiator” Wilder..and we did not listen to them. We are damn lucky (yes lucky) we got anything. Dec 9th could had come and gone, the merger would have happened, and we would still be under LOA 93 for another 18 or so months waiting for single carrier status. All these years of getting the short end by letting “pilots” do our bidding, and we finally get it right..and ignore the process and advice. I am convinced if we had even another pension this group (most of you on this forum) would be stupid enough to lose it.
RR

 

[luvthe9]

How did the meeting go today sir?
 
To be fair, I will advise you ahead of time that this is a rhetorical question.

Res got served again today. Parker figured out he failed HR, and Elise was not up to speed on any technicalities of labor. Bluff called. Parker got smoked out of his hole. No seat for Res. The music played. When it stopped, Marty had no chair and his pants were around his ankles.

 

[luvthe9]

Reed, you sound just like Mike Tosi

 

[luvthe9]

Yes, and your wide body flying should stay with your guys with good fences. I have no problem with that.

Give the AA guys a 25 yr fence on 777. West would agree.

 

[luvthe9]

Me leaving is indeed "important."  You commenting on it is a lifetime keepsake! RR
 
The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the BPR turned down MOU I. Pat, Brian, and especialy Roland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal. Next time you see Roland at a meeting, pull him aside and ask him if he would have preferred MOU I over II. He will tell you with MOU I in his pocket he could have done BETTER than MOU II later on. But that did not happen, the BPR did as you mention (and as the majority of our pilots believe) and held out dangerously for MOU II. We came very close to simply being left behind. When it did come down to the wire on II, the head of the UCC made it clear he was not going to risk the great returns he was getting for his clients waiting for your group to be satisfied. Please, ask Roland.
Bottom line is we paid and supposedly trusted a very talented group of advisors, including the long promised “professional negotiator” Wilder..and we did not listen to them. We are damn lucky (yes lucky) we got anything. Dec 9th could had come and gone, the merger would have happened, and we would still be under LOA 93 for another 18 or so months waiting for single carrier status. All these years of getting the short end by letting “pilots” do our bidding, and we finally get it right..and ignore the process and advice. I am convinced if we had even another pension this group (most of you on this forum) would be stupid enough to lose it.
RR

Right out of the Tosi play book. RR, you have gone back to the future. ALPA all over you.

 

[luvthe9]

Reed Tosi, Superhero. Not......

 

[luvthe9]

Can you make that a little bigger, some of us still can't see it.

Did you hear that from your wife Traitor?

 

[Reed Richards]

Reed, you sound just like Mike Tosi

[SIZE=10.5pt]I give you street cred Luv, at least you have some sense of history. Have not heard that name in a while.  I don't care how you take my big letter post (and you will see it again) the matter of note is that, after seniority, this group has screamed for professional negotiators for almost 30 years.  And when we finally got one (actually a very good one) our idiots on the BPR refused to listen. By the way, I saw that toad Tosi at the NMB a few years ago. Back channels made darn sure he would never have access to our case or cards. Obviously he never did. RR[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

Leonidas Update December 17, 2013
on
18 December 2013
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As we continue to wait for the results of the Addington II trial, the West Pilot legal team continues to stay busy working to protect your rights. The final pleadings to the case record were submitted on November 6th, and there were numerous post-trial Motions that required briefs to be filed, including those pleadings regarding USAPA and Airways’ Motions for Summary Judgment. All of these relevant filings can be found on the public access Leonidas Web site at cactuspilot.com. 

We are charging toward a final solution to the conflict that has plagued us for so many years, but there is still much work to be done. The merger of American and US Airways was consummated last Monday, December 9th finalizing the Plan of Reorganization or POR. The MOU specifies a thirty day “Protocol Period” to begin on the POR date so the thirty day clock is ticking right now. New American has called for a meeting of the pilot parties to the McCaskill-Bond process outlined in the MOU for this Friday, December 20th in Washington, D.C. to discuss the Protocol Agreement. The company has invited the West Pilot Class to be participants in this meeting. Your nine West Class Representatives have chosen five West pilots to be your West Merger Committee representatives: former PHX Domicile Chairman First Officer David Braid; current Leonidas member and Business Intelligence Committee member, First Officer Johan DeVicq; former ALPA negotiating committee member Captain Doug Dotter; founder of Leonidas First Officer Eric Ferguson; and former ALPA merger committee member Captain Russ Payne. Along with this committee will be the legal team consisting of Polsinelli Attorneys Jennifer Axel and Dr. Andy Jacob along with Marty Harper of Marty Harper, PLLC. It is our understanding from the West Merger Committee that New American and APA will be in attendance at the December 20, 2013 meeting. USAPA has not committed to attend to the best of our knowledge. 

The West Merger Committee members all have an outstanding history of West Pilot advocacy and experience, and we are proud to announce their willingness to serve the pilot group in such an important role. 

We will provide updates as events unfold during the coming weeks and months, and we thank you for your desire to stay informed. 

Sincerely, 

Leonidas, LLC
 
 
Any updates from the west pilots merger committee?   I thought so.