Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

Good one.

 
You too.

 

[luvthe9]

Mach85ER, welcome to america west!

 

[Res Judicata]

They better think of the situation where an arbitrator gets three lists and starts at the top and spreads the wealth in thirds instead of them versus one USAPA list.
Maybe TWA gets another shot as well if they want to go there.

Forget TWA guys. They're completely removed from the situation. It's you, dear morbidly obese scab, that needs to understand the dangers of 3 separate lists starting from the top.


...as I've been saying for awhile now, you're going to beg for the Nic back when this is over. You destroyed 1/3 rd of your career over a temper tantrum, watch the rest of it evaporate before your scab eyes.

 

[Claxon]

You destroyed 1/3 rd of your career over a temper tantrum, watch the rest of it evaporate before your scab eyes.

How has 100 percent of your career with america west gone?  I have to warn you, this is a rhetorical question.

 

[Claxon]

west pilots attitude has not changed and will not change.  Now you act like victims.  In a sense you are victims of your own ignorance of accepting change.  A little bit of knowledge was dangerous. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66EvBBj5tQ

 

[Res Judicata]

How has 100 percent of your career with america west gone?  I have to warn you, this is a rhetorical question.

Hmmm. I have to wonder if you understand the word "rhetorical" . Maybe between gun cleanings in Seattle you can pick up a fking dictionary? 100% of my career with America West experienced infinitely fewer trips through Bankruptcy court than the airline that you worked for...the one that furloughed you multiple times because they did t have the money to pay an additional Reserve PIT DC-9 FO...that's 36k/yr you know. Big money for a recently TWICE insolvent entity to pay.

THE BALL WAS OFFICIALLY STRIPPED FROM YOU TODAY. NOW ITS 11,600 against 2,500. Sleep well, your DOH dream is fast approaching. HHHHAAAA!!!!!!!

 

[Mach85ER]

 

I have type ratings on all your aircraft except one. I have caveman views as well. It's called time. Your time is no more nor no less valuable than mine, contrary to ALPA/APA beliefs. FA's don't care about size. Why should we? Your president said it best that new hire pilots under the new regs should be Captain qualified. Why treat them any differently?

What exactly are you talking about?

Size pays differently.

So what is your stance on the intergration?

 

[Beancounter]

Bean,
Agree with all above. Not a clue why you directed at me.
Res & Nic need above reminders and I believe they are in your camp.
Good luck with correcting their threats & slander.
Please admonish them for all to see so on this board.
Then run for cover quick !
FA

Didn't really mean for it to be directed at you. Just seemed the whole, if I see you in the terminal thing, was getting out of hand. Almost all the east pilots I've met have been cordial. The only verbal assault I received was from one of your flight attendants, in front of passengers in the terminal no less. If I remember right there was something about how her boyfriend was a pilot and he was going to be senior to me. I think she also said something about me not looking old enough to drive.... or something like that. I was a little bit shaken at first, but I was flying with a really cool captain that day who soon had me laughing about it.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

Hmmm. I have to wonder if you understand the word "rhetorical" . Maybe between gun cleanings in Seattle you can pick up a fking dictionary? 100% of my career with America West experienced infinitely fewer trips through Bankruptcy court than the airline that you worked for...the one that furloughed you multiple times because they did t have the money to pay an additional Reserve PIT DC-9 FO...that's 36k/yr you know. Big money for a recently TWICE insolvent entity to pay.

THE BALL WAS OFFICIALLY STRIPPED FROM YOU TODAY. NOW ITS 11,600 against 2,500. Sleep well, your DOH dream is fast approaching. HHHHAAAA!!!!!!!

 I respectfully disagree with you sir.

 

[Res Judicata]

I respectfully disagree with you sir.

Losing gamblers always double down. It's called "desperation".

 

[traderjake]

FA's don't care about size.

 
That may be what they tell you.   😀

 

[end_of_alpa]

What exactly are you talking about?Size pays differently.So what is your stance on the intergration?

length of service....period.

 

[end_of_alpa]

What exactly are you talking about?Size pays differently.So what is your stance on the intergration?

Size may pay differently but promotion is based on hire date.

 

[end_of_alpa]

What exactly are you talking about?Size pays differently.So what is your stance on the intergration?

How about this from your leadership:
"ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION: FIRST OFFICERS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS AS CAPTAINS"

Same qualifications, do the same job, equal pay for equal work. You're thoughts?

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2720/categoryId/70/Allied-Pilots-Association-First-Officers-Should-Have-the-Same-Qualifications-as-Captains.aspx

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think the following might be part of my "best post ever."  As my time dwindles here, I might post it a few more times:
 
[SIZE=12pt]The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the BPR turned down MOU I. Pat, Brian, and especialy Roland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal. Next time you see Roland at a meeting, pull him aside and ask him if he would have preferred MOU I over II. He will tell you with MOU I in his pocket he could have done BETTER than MOU II later on. But that did not happen, the BPR did as you mention (and as the majority of our pilots believe) and held out dangerously for MOU II. We came very close to simply being left behind. When it did come down to the wire on II, the head of the UCC made it clear he was not going to risk the great returns he was getting for his clients waiting for your group to be satisfied. Please, ask Roland. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Bottom line is we paid and supposedly trusted a very talented group of advisors, including the long promised “professional negotiator” Wilder..and we did not listen to them. We are damn lucky (yes lucky) we got anything. Dec 9th could had come and gone, the merger would have happened, and we would still be under LOA 93 for another 18 or so months waiting for single carrier status. All these years of getting the short end by letting “pilots” do our bidding, and we finally get it right..and ignore the process and advice. I am convinced if we had even another pension this group (most of you on this forum) would be stupid enough to lose it.[/SIZE]
 
 
[SIZE=12pt]RR[/SIZE]
 

 
I think, perhaps, you are overstating your case.  The point you are missing is that, had we rejected MOU I and the UCC chose to never present anything again to USAPA, we would still have our very strong scope language in place.  The company and the UCC absolutely needed that scope language gone in order to make the merger work in the way they wanted it to.  
 
Sure, maybe Dec 9th would have come and gone and we on the east would still be working under LOA 93 rates, but meantime USAPA would be clipping the thread holding the Sword of Damocles over the New AA.  Maybe the long-term result would be better, worse or the same.  There is no way to tell anymore.  But those of us who voted against MOU II were confident enough that Parker and the UCC were really in a bind.