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Pi brat said:
I disagree. No one is all good or all bad. Well, maybe a few, but you get the point.
 
Just like our friend 924PS. He was one of my favorite captains to fly with and think is a good guy, but at times he has really frustrated me here.
 
My point is that it doesn't matter how he got her or what kind of pilot he is. His views on the SLI are so far removed from the rest of the group that few agree with him.
 
See, even though I agree with you on most things, I disagree with you on this one. 🙂
[SIZE=14pt]I have no issues with your logic, nor have I challenged anyone’s qualifications.  I just find him to be a total jerk personified on this forum.  I make no judgments on anyone here reference flying the line (and can only hope others do the same for me..yikes!). Have a good one. RR[/SIZE]
 
traderjake said:
 
No, only what you've done.
 
Reneging on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process so you could try to put a Reserve F/O ahead of a Captain on the same airplane.
 
You can try to pretend that the last 5 pilot seniortity arbitrations mean nothing but your just making a fool of yourself. 
 
Longevity is not seniority. 
 
Listen DH, I'm such FO you talk about and I'm not trying to be put ahead of any WEST captain.  But I do want the attrition that is mostly east to be allocated mostly east, the airline business is cyclical, if you have been in it so long you know.  the last senority award, CAL UAL gave credit from some of the longevity.  So stop the blathering.
 
Reed Richards said:
[SIZE=10.5pt]He brings that argument up every time, it is a red herring. We all know that the job of fences and restrictions is to prevent that scenario. Our 17 year guy had 17 years unbroken service, his DOH was in fact his longevity, just as the new hire at AWA had no furlough. He despises us for fighting the award, and thus denying him a pay raise, yet sits smugly enjoying the benefits of what his own father and Boeing Boy allowed to happen to the Empire guys. All his arguments are muddied by his own silence at what PI did. Just like Boeing Boy and this father, he has never presented so much as a resolution, much less run for office with the intent of repairing that wrong. And of course he will use the excuse it was too late. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]As to a new list mirroring the NIC  in the AA merger, I ask this:  The bottom guy at AWA (and they have done zero hiring in 8 years) can now hold C/O on the East.  Where does that put our bottom guy from 2005 now?  This entire new union affair has not been pretty, but I am so proud of our guys sticking together, especially the ones with no real dog in the fight, and helping us to correct the injustice that was done by the senile old man.  I am simply stunned one of our own would come here and argue otherwise.  I guess selfishness has no bounds, and greed goes unchallenged when it benefits such individuals. RR[/SIZE]
 
 
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Thank you sir![/SIZE]
 
Pi brat said:
That's not what the MOU says. It was a product of the TA and we amended the TA then it goes poof at POR.
At least that's the fantasy your lawyer is hoping to slip passed a Judge. AOL did a pretty admirable job of dissecting The Big Lie from Scumanski. 10h is getting tossed. Nobody apparently knows anything about it anyway...and it's author and MY attorney refused to go under oath to explain what his intentions were. Everybody knows they were unequivocally informed the MOU was neutral and the Nic was getting hashed out it court. Here it is. A ratified JCBA and the TA UNMODIFIED to include the Nic. She doesn't have to force anything other than explain to the Company that the TA requirements have been met. The Company will deliver your bad news.
 
Res Judicata said:
At least that's the fantasy your lawyer is hoping to slip passed a Judge. AOL did a pretty admirable job of dissecting The Big Lie from Scumanski. 10h is getting tossed. Nobody apparently knows anything about it anyway...and it's author and MY attorney refused to go under oath to explain what his intentions were. Everybody knows they were unequivocally informed the MOU was neutral and the Nic was getting hashed out it court. Here it is. A ratified JCBA and the TA UNMODIFIED to include the Nic. She doesn't have to force anything other than explain to the Company that the TA requirements have been met. The Company will deliver your bad news.
So is this a guarantee like "it will be over by April!"? If so I will make a note and we can compare when the last gavel comes down.
 
I see that therapy advise has been ignored or isn't working out too well.
 
Pi brat said:
So is this a guarantee like "it will be over by April!"? If so I will make a note and we can compare when the last gavel comes down.
 
I see that therapy advise has been ignored or isn't working out too well.
I see you've posted 7X more than I have here. Not sure who has the problem. Being your career has been mostly wasted at an habitually failing carrier, I can somewhat understand your 7,154 post obsession. If the East position was so simple, clear and legal, do you think you'd need to comment over 7000x on the exact same subject? If you're always so right, why are you always in court? I know. Ignorant "desert Judges" and "senile" old men right?

Here's my prediction. If nothing else, the West will have independent, autonomous representation at the MB table fully paid for by USAPA. Prediction #2, the East/West list will be sorted out before the Real MB process ever begins. If I were you, I'd take the Nic now over letting the West walk 3 arbitrators through the actions of your scab union for the last 6 years. Let's see, Nic or a 1 for 1 starting from the very top...which do you prefer?
 
Res Judicata said:
I see you've posted 7X more than I have here. Not sure who has the problem. Being your career has been mostly wasted at an habitually failing carrier, I can somewhat understand your 7,154 post obsession. If the East position was so simple, clear and legal, do you think you'd need to comment over 7000x on the exact same subject? If you're always so right, why are you always in court? I know. Ignorant "desert Judges" and "senile" old men right?
Here's my prediction. If nothing else, the West will have independent, autonomous representation at the MB table fully paid for by USAPA. Prediction #2, the East/West list will be sorted out before the Real MB process ever begins. If I were you, I'd take the Nic now over letting the West walk 3 arbitrators through the actions of your scab union for the last 6 years. Let's see, Nic or a 1 for 1 starting from the very top...which do you prefer?
If it's over why are you negotiating? You keep confusing yourself. :lol: You should be suing Holmes and Calveri. 🙂
 
Res Judicata said:
I see you've posted 7X more than I have here. Not sure who has the problem. Being your career has been mostly wasted at an habitually failing carrier, I can somewhat understand your 7,154 post obsession. If the East position was so simple, clear and legal, do you think you'd need to comment over 7000x on the exact same subject? If you're always so right, why are you always in court? I know. Ignorant "desert Judges" and "senile" old men right?

Here's my prediction. If nothing else, the West will have independent, autonomous representation at the MB table fully paid for by USAPA. Prediction #2, the East/West list will be sorted out before the Real MB process ever begins. If I were you, I'd take the Nic now over letting the West walk 3 arbitrators through the actions of your scab union for the last 6 years. Let's see, Nic or a 1 for 1 starting from the very top...which do you prefer?
But my 7000 posts are of reasonable thinking and your 1034 are full of angry stupidity. Big difference. 🙂
 
Taking the Nic is a non-starter so not worth wasting our breath. As for the rest of it, we'll see what happens, but I did make notes.
 
Phoenix said:
If it's over why are you negotiating? You keep confusing yourself. :lol: You should be suing Holmes and Calveri. 🙂
It was over on April 2012. Or was it 2011? Either way, didn't you get the memo?
 
Reed Richards said:
[SIZE=10.5pt]He brings that argument up every time, it is a red herring. We all know that the job of fences and restrictions is to prevent that scenario.[/SIZE]
 
Do fences and restrictions keep the Captain from being furloughed before the Reserve F/O? 
 
If fences and restrictons fix everything would you agree to abide by the Nicolau Award with the same fences and restrictions?
 
traderjake said:
Does fences and restrictions keep the Captain from being furloughed before the Reserve F/O? 
 
If fences and restrictons fix everything would you agree to abide by the Nicolau Award with the same fences and restrictions?
You and Res have something in common... You don't have a flair for vocabulary that he sports, but you both continue to propose solutions to the majority. 🙂
 
Reed Richards said:
Way too much on a simple aside.  The guy acts like a horse's rear end here on this forum, he does not merit your defense on any matter.  Just calling it as I see it.  RR
 
I have no idea who you are but if disagreeing with you makes me a "horse's rear end" so be it.
 
I don't repect what you've done and won't be coersed into being silent.
 
USAPA is trying to steal from the West an arbitration award they are legally and ethically entittled to.
 
November 16, 2013

Leonidas Update

There has been a flurry of filings since trial closed in several actions affecting the West Pilots, particularly in light of the settlement between US Airways, American and the Department of Justice. The West Pilots (and Leonidas) have consistently supported the merger and are excited to be a part of the New American. After the settlement was announced, there were a number of filings in the lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice, including stipulated orders to dismiss the case, which were entered by Judge Kottar-Kotelly on November 12, 2013. The Company has indicated that the merger will close in mid-December.

DFR Lawsuit

Per the Courts order, Plaintiffs and USAPA filed briefs summarizing the evidence on October 31, 2013, Doc 259 and 260 respectively. On November 6, 2013, the West Class attorneys and USAPA filed their responsive briefs in Addington II trial, Doc 263 and 264 respectively. US Airways did not file any substantive documents relating to the evidence presented at trial.

As many of you know, USAPA and US Airways filed motions for summary judgment prior to trial, Doc 211, 212, 213, 214, 215. After the close of trial, the Court ordered responses to US Airways Motion and USAPAs Motion (only as it related to the duty of fair representation claim, Doc 250.

US Airways motion asked the Court to enter a declaratory judgment that the West Pilots have the right under Federal McCaskill-Bond statute to full and separate representation in the upcoming seniority-integration proceedings between the pilots employed by US Airways and American Airlines, Inc., Doc 212. Plaintiffs filed a Response and Separate Statement of Facts in support of this Motion on November 14, 2013, Doc 266 and 268. Not surprisingly, USAPA opposed the motion, Doc. Doc 270. US Airways will file a reply on Monday, November 18, 2013.

Also on November 14, 2013, the West Pilots filed a response to USAPAs claim that it is entitled to summary judgment in its favor that it has not breached its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots, Doc 267. Plaintiffs also filed a separate statement of facts in support of this motion, Doc 268. USAPA is entitled to file a reply on Monday, November 18, 2013, although it has moved the Court for an extension that the Court granted (one extra day) to now be due on November 19, 2013.

As many of you may recall prior to the trial, Judge Silver held a status conference with President Gary Hummels heart surgeon on October 17, 2013. When questioned by Judge Silver, Dr. Gleason indicated that Gary could testify via telephone. During the course of trial, USAPA counsel Pat Szymanski indicated to the Court that Captain Hummel was unavailable to testify telephonically, but failed to provide the Court an opportunity to verify why this was not possible. The Court was not inclined to delay the trial to wait for Garys testimony, and in the alternative, Judge Silver gave USAPA the opportunity to provide Garys testimony via affidavit as long as counsel for the West Pilot Class agreed with the particular questions expected.

After reviewing a 13 page declaration provided to our counsel by USAPA late Friday, October 25, 2013, the West Class attorneys indicated they could not consent to the inclusion of the declaration into the record and notified the Court of this position on Monday, October 28, 2013, Doc 255. Please read Doc 255 for the explanation of why we are rejecting the Hummel declaration from being entered into the record. To counter our filing, USAPA filed Doc 256 requesting Judge Silver include the declaration of Captain Hummel over the objections of the West Class. You can also read the USAPA supporting documents here, Doc 256-1, 256-2 and 256-3. Subsequently, the West Class filed a Motion to Strike USAPA's documents, Doc 257, and this is another worthy read. Although the Court has not granted USAPA leave to rely on Garys declaration, USAPA did so anyway in its Summary of Evidence, Doc 260, Response to Plaintiffs Summary of Evidence, Doc 264 and in its Response to US Airways Motion for Summary Judgment, Doc 269 and 270. If the Court grants our Motion to Strike, we will ask that the Court strike the various portions of these documents that rely on Captain Hummels declaration.

Declaratory Judgment Action

After the announcement of the settlement with the Department of Justice, the Company filed a motion to postpone the oral argument scheduled in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals for December 9, 2013, indicating that it would dismiss the appeal once the merger closed. On November 14, 2013, the Ninth Circuit granted that Motion, taking the oral argument off calendar.

It has been an intensely busy time for West Class attorneys and the many people closely supporting the efforts for final resolution in this long standing dispute. Thank you for staying informed. We are acutely aware of the settlement regarding the Department of Justice lawsuit that creates an extremely short time-frame to begin the transition to merger mode. If we are successful in our claims in front of Judge Silver, we anticipate that USAPA will do everything in its power to subvert those rulings, as it has done in the past. We are prepared for those contingencies.

Thank you for your support over the years as we are in the red zone now and need to maintain our commitment to justice in the coming weeks and months.

Contributions to this effort are continuing to be accepted at the Push for Justice Web Site.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
 
Crzipilot said:
Anyone giving praise to CM throws their credibility out the window with that one statement.  
 
 
Anyone who seeks to find credibility on an anonamous web board has no credibility. :lol:
 
Phoenix said:
If it's over why are you negotiating? You keep confusing yourself. :lol: You should be suing Holmes and Calveri. 🙂
Who the FK is negotiating? I didn't see any evidence of negotiations standing in front of a Federal Judge. That's pretty much the universal sign that negotiations have failed and won't be resuming.
 
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