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Political football ok for you eric, not for usapa?
 
"Eric Auxier said
July 20, 2008 @ 12:59 am
Petes2cents: On the surface, it sounds terrible. But here’s the real story, which I am attempting to get published in the USA Today:
As a multi-year Captain for USAirlines, I profusely apologize to the public for the misleading full page advertisement by our new “union,” USAPA, in the USA Today this week.
This ad was nothing more than attempt at muscle-flexing by an upstart union trying to turn safety into a negotiating tactic. This “union,” of which nearly all of our fellow West-based and many East-based pilots refuse to become members, has, in the scant few months of its existence, committed such foolhardy acts as:
1) Blatantly disregard and attempt to circumvent legally binding, preexisting arbitration;
2) Falsely accuse and sue members of its own pilot body, the entire case of which was thrown out of Federal Court last week as completely false and malicious;
3) attempt to force nonunion pilots to pay absurdly high union “dues” under threat of termination; and, in its USA Today advertisement;
3) defend a group of disgruntled pilots who are attempting to hurt our airline financially by unnecessarily ordering and burning extra fuel. This has been done by running unneeded engines on the ground during delays, and flying at absurdly inefficient speeds and altitudes.
I can speak with authority that our professional dispatchers do an outstanding job planning our flights with plenty of margin of fuel safety. Only rarely do I need to order and burn extra fuel, as these pilots who claim to be “professionals” have routinely done.
The public can rest assured that ALL of our USAirways pilots do indeed operate their aircraft in a safe manner, and the vast majority do so in an efficient manner as well. I do, however, fear for the Company’s future at the hands of a few loose cannons, both in the cockpit and in our sad excuse for a union, who dare to call their acts “professional.”
Signed,
A Concerned USAirways Captain, Eric Auxier"
 
There isn't a single person that doesn't know exactly what USCABA will do. .............................Good thing we have the facts, law, and much better lawyers on our own.
 
Res Judicata said:
So My Union systematically lied to everyone about the MOU neutrality on the nic?
 
If you now believe yourselves the victims of falsehoods, but yet were manifestly distrustful of all union actions, and had at your disposal excellent legal minds, well: Which premise(s) should reasonably be accepted here?:
 
1) You've all concerns for what the union will do, have complete distrust for all it's actions, and are advised by "much better lawyers", those being the same ones who advised you to vote in favor of the MOU, which was enthusiastically accepted by an astounding 97% of your voters.
 
2) All of you, inclusive of your lawyers, apparently understood nothing of what was/is contained in the instrument you adopted by said 97%.
 
3) The west, with full knowledge of it's contents, adopted a legal instrument with premeditated plans to immediately litigate against it,
 
And/Or 4) Your group, inclusive of your lawyers, represent the most amazingly illiterate, cross-threaded, and illogically dysfunctional people one can even imagine....? See 2) with 3) above for reference.
 
EastUS1 said:
There isn't a single person that doesn't know exactly what USCABA will do. .............................Good thing we have the facts, law, and much better lawyers on our own.
 

 
If you now believe yourselves the victims of falsehoods, but yet were manifestly distrustful of all union actions, and had at your disposal excellent legal minds, well: Which premise(s) should reasonably be accepted here?:
 
1) You've all concerns for what the union will do, have complete distrust for all it's actions, and are advised by "much better lawyers", those being the same ones who advised you to vote in favor of the MOU, which was enthusiastically accepted by an astounding 97% of your voters.
 
2) All of you, inclusive of your lawyers, apparently understood nothing of what was/is contained in the instrument you adopted by said 97%.
 
3) The west, with full knowledge of it's contents, adopted a legal instrument with premeditated plans to immediately litigate against it,
 
And/Or 4) Your group, inclusive of your lawyers, represent the most amazingly illiterate, cross-threaded, and illogically dysfunctional people one can even imagine....? See 2) above for reference.
You know USCABA said the MOU had nothing to do with the Nic. In Court they say the exact opposite. Did they lie to the membership about their intentions?

Of course they did. Only scabs and idiots can't differentiate that simple fact. You're both. Congrats.
 
Res Judicata said:
So My Union systematically lied to everyone about the MOU neutrality on the nic? Yes or No?
Who said the MOU is/was neutral on the Nic or the 2005 TA?

Are you confusing yourself again by "implicitly assuming" the same stupid thing the 9th found fatal to your complaint?
 
Res Judicata said:
You know USCABA said the MOU had nothing to do with the Nic.
Yes, it's seniority neutral, you were well informed, Calveri and Holmes told you it was seniority neutral, and they told you to vote in favor of it.
 
Res Judicata said:
You know USCABA said the MOU had nothing to do with the Nic. In Court they say the exact opposite. Did they lie to the membership about their intentions?

Of course they did. Only scabs and idiots can't differentiate that simple fact. You're both. Congrats.
Is it your earnest contention here that "you'se" were all simply unable to READ and even at ALL comprehend the instrument's written contents?
 
If that truly represents the most cogent and salient "argument" you can offer here...well...I must once more offer my heart-felt sympathy to your parents, for all that money entirely wasted on those "rather exclusive educational institutions" you felt such a need to brag about attending. Perhaps this was one such fine venue of higher learning? 🙂 Thanks again for the grins.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-CkMpQtlY
 
Phoenix said:
The 2005 TA entitles everyone to exactly what it provides. 🙂
... And the MOU provides exactly what it provides, upon the effective date. 🙂
 
Res Judicata said:
So My Union systematically lied to everyone about the MOU neutrality on the nic? Yes or No?
 
  
[SIZE=14pt]"No." In fact a LEO principle (Holmes) was at the table, fully connected via face to face meetings and included in all emails. He would be a part of "my union." No secrets were kept, and especially no secrets were proven in the 2 day trial before Silver. You all did a double reverse inverted trick f..k and turned your case inside out into a loss. You cannot vote for something you damn well know what it means and claim you did not after doing so, especially after announcing to the world that was your plan. And now you want Silver to "ignore" the law in her ruling to heal your mortal wound. And by the way, you did not ask for damages, only attorney fees, so best case only Marty gets paid and you get squat. You will probably get an initial ruling somehow perverting you a seat at the M/B table, but it will be short lived. By the way, it will not be fun to be "Ken Holmes" going forward. He really blew it for you guys, both at the table and especially at the trial. He claims a last minute "ah ha" moment, but sat silent until the vote closed. Yeah. Right. RR[/SIZE]
 
Reed Richards said:
 
  
[SIZE=14pt]"No." In fact a LEO principle (Holmes) was at the table, fully connected via face to face meetings and included in all emails. He would be a part of "my union." No secrets were kept, and especially no secrets were proven in the 2 day trial before Silver. You all did a double reverse inverted trick f..k and turned your case inside out into a loss. You cannot vote for something you damn well know what it means and claim you did not after doing so, especially after announcing to the world that was your plan. And now you want Silver to "ignore" the law in her ruling to heal your mortal wound. And by the way, you did not ask for damages, only attorney fees, so best case only Marty gets paid and you get squat. You will probably get an initial ruling somehow perverting you a seat at the M/B table, but it will be short lived. By the way, it will not be fun to be "Ken Holmes" going forward. He really blew it for you guys, both at the table and especially at the trial. He claims a last minute "ah ha" moment, but sat silent until the vote closed. Yeah. Right. RR[/SIZE]
 
 
Hmm...I might have not really been that far off the mark earlier. Perhaps their position should truly be titled into legal history as The Village Idiots' Argument. 😉 Seriously: How can one logically have it both ways? Either the west had reasonable knowledge of the written instrument, or didn't, but yet voted 97% in favor of it's acceptance anyway. Bottom Line = Can these people read, or not?
 
EastUS1 said:
Hmm...I might have not really been that far off the mark earlier. Perhaps this should truly be titled into legal history as The Village Idiots' Argument. 😉 Seriously: How can one logically have it both ways? Either the west had reasonable knowledge of the written instrument, or didn't, but yet voted 97% in favor of it's acceptance anyway.
Now in fairness, there were 12 West individuals who were smart enough to vote against "nullity", thus forever ruining their employment opportunities as the village idiot.
 
Phoenix said:
Now in fairness, there were 12 West individuals who were smart enough to vote against "nullity", thus forever ruining their employment opportunities as the village idiot.
 
Point taken. My apologies to those fellow no voters for the use of too broad a brush. 😉
 
Res Judicata said:
You know USCABA said the MOU had nothing to do with the Nic. In Court they say the exact opposite. Did they lie to the membership about their intentions?

Of course they did. Only scabs and idiots can't differentiate that simple fact. You're both. Congrats.
Please quit blaming everyone for your poor career choice, working for an airline you chose to work for (in reality the only one that would hire you). 
 
Ten year reserve f/o, that is sad but, you chose it and decided to stay employed. 
 
Best of luck to you sir.
 
Claxon said:
Interesting america west pilot video for all AMR pilots.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSFvQ-0p2I
In the next video in this post:
 
Now the same america west pilot, who posted the safety football video, was apparently promoted to jedi knight by the army of lyingidas.
 
eric auxier goes on to say a former america west airlines pilot, john schreff, who became a Phoenix management pilot for USAirways, turned over personal id information of original USAirways pilots, known as the East.  john schreff stole this information off company computers.
 
USAirways spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for lifelock (tm) for the east pilots, yet john schreff is still employed.  The company could not admit their fault for obvious legal reasons.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5w_hXqqxTo
 
Well the most frequent mantra from west pilots was, "you will be on loa 93 for life".  
 
What say you now west pilots? 
 
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