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Pi brat said:
It was over on April 2012. Or was it 2011? Either way, didn't you get the memo?
Six years and millions of dollars is an absurdly long time to answer the simple question if final and binding is final and binding. When USCABA gets out of the way, the answer comes rather quickly. Think under 90 minutes by a Jury.
 
[SIZE=14pt]I just keep finding humor in the West filings. Marty wants to be in the room at M/B so he can "make sure" the Nic is used. Note, we are not talking about a negotiation here, it's (as usual) the Nic or nothing. And Marty does not trust what USAPA will “do in the future” so he thinks the court should intervene and give him authority to do what HE wants.  Right.   Marty has to be salivating, knowing the West Class is about to come into some moneys. He only hopes he can keep this thing alive long enough for them to contribute. RR (completely guilty of “arbitration theft.”)[/SIZE]
 
Reed Richards said:
I just keep finding humor in the West filings. Marty wants to be in the room at M/B so he can "make sure" the Nic is used. Note, we are not talking about a negotiation here, it's (as usual) the Nic or nothing. And Marty does not trust what USAPA will “do in the future” so he thinks the court should intervene and give him authority to do what HE wants.  Right.   Marty has to be salivating, knowing the West Class is about to come into some moneys. He only hopes he can keep this thing alive long enough for them to contribute. RR (completely guilty of “arbitration theft.”)
There isn't a single person that doesn't know exactly what USCABA will do. There isn't a single West pilot that has a micrograms worth of trust for they're fake scab union and their no-ethics attorney that accepts our dues money to lie to our faces and attempts to backstab. Good thing we have the facts, law, and much better lawyers on our own.

With a straight face, you can't figure out the USCABA plan?
 
Res Judicata said:
There isn't a single person that doesn't know exactly what USCABA will do. There isn't a single West pilot that has a micrograms worth of trust for they're fake scab union and their no-ethics attorney that accepts our dues money to lie to our faces and attempts to backstab. Good thing we have the facts, law, and much better lawyers on our own.

With a straight face, you can't figure out the USCABA plan?
Let me give you a hint;
 
"IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

DATED this 4th day of December, 2012."
 
Judge Silver
 
Res Judicata said:
Who the FK is negotiating? I didn't see any evidence of negotiations standing in front of a Federal Judge. That's pretty much the universal sign that negotiations have failed and won't be resuming.
Holmes and Calveri told you to vote all previous agreements and status quo to be a nullity. At the effective date, that will be that. Let's see what Silver will sign her name to and if it will be any different than what any of the parties negotiated...🙂
 
traderjake said:
I have no idea who you are but if disagreeing with you makes me a "horse's rear end" so be it.
 
I don't repect what you've done and won't be coersed into being silent.
 
USAPA is trying to steal from the West an arbitration award they are legally and ethically entittled to.
The 2005 TA entitles everyone to exactly what it provides. 🙂
 
snapthis said:
. Please read Doc 255 for the explanation of why we are rejecting the Hummel declaration from being entered into the record. To counter our filing, USAPA filed Doc 256 requesting Judge Silver include the declaration of Captain Hummel over the objections of the West Class. .......Doc 269 and 270. If the Court grants our Motion to Strike, we will ask that the Court strike the various portions of these documents that rely on Captain Hummels declaration.

Thank you for your support over the years as we are in the red zone now and need to maintain our commitment to justice in the coming weeks and months.

Contributions to this effort are continuing to be accepted at the Push for Justice Web Site.
 
 
 Lemme see if I have this right: "You'se" are all about your supposed "commitment to justice" and even seek contributions for a "Push for Justice", but are desperately scurrying around, trying to find ways to exclude the testimony of the union's very president, who was unable to be present due to a life-threatening cardiac event and subsequent surgery? Wow!...This stuff's not even suitable for credible inclusion into kids' comic books.
 
GO "spartans!"...And thanks once more for the predictable laughs. 🙂
 
Merriam Webster's notion of Justice: jus·tice noun \ˈjəs-təs\ : the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals.  
a :  the quality of being just, impartial, or fair
b (1) :  the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) :  conformity to this principle or ideal :
 
Apparent "spartan" concepts of "justice": I-don't-care-how-it's-done!...Just-gimme-my-nic!...Pretty-please-WAAAAH! 
 
"Thank you for your support over the years as we are in the red zone now..." No argument there. 😉
 
Phoenix said:
Holmes and Calveri told you to vote all previous agreements and status quo to be a nullity. At the effective date, that will be that. Let's see what Silver will sign her name to and if it will be any different than what any of the parties negotiated...🙂
So My Union systematically lied to everyone about the MOU neutrality on the nic? Yes or No?
 
Pi brat said:
I have to call you on this one RR. He wasn't a product of nepotism, at least not completely. He is just a little junior to me and when I got hired PI had an anti-nepotism policy. You could not work under the same VP as your parent. It changed after I got hired, so maybe that's when TJ got hired, a lot of pilots kids did, or his father had retired. Either way, PI didn't give anyone a job. Their attitude was we want a good employee first, and then we can make them a good pilot. If we get one of the rare ones that has made it this far an we can't make them a good pilot, we will get rid of them on probation. They fired a long time F/A son about the time I was hired. If PI had a good employee and they recommended some one, that was golden with them. Did they put too much weight on that? I don't know. Sure some slipped by, but they had a great airline with one of the most loyal employee groups ever.
 
TJ was qualified, I believe he had been flying a 707 or DC-8. I've flown with him and had no problem with his flying ability. He went out of his way to look after the F/As. That shouldn't be an issue with him.
 
I believe it was nepotism on the northern side of the fence that caused the company to lose an EEOC case, where they hired a pilot that didn't meet their qualifications, but turned down two African-American pilots that did. I may be off, it's been a long time, but that's the way I remember it.
 
All that said, I have issues with TJ. I don't get him. He has never changed his tune about his ideas of SLI integration as some have, but IMHO they were as screwed up in 2005 as they are now! He seems to see no value in his career, the time he has invested and the sacrifices he has made. When I read his posts visions of Wayne's World pop into my head, "We're not worthy, we're not worthy!" How any east pilot could hold up the Nic is beyond me.
 
Just calling it as I see it.
 
The PI anti-nepotism policy went by the wayside in the early 1980s, about the same time they started hiring ex-Braniff, ex-TWA, etc. pilots.  TJ and his father were simultaneously employed by PI, if my memory serves correctly.  I agree that TJ was totally qualified and had competitive experience when he was hired.  A lot of fathers recommended their sons and daughters.
 
But nepotism at Allegheny/USAir was notorious.  You couldn't swing a dead cat in the PIT crew room without hitting some senior captain's kid in his shiny new uniform.
 
Claxon said:
Interesting america west pilot video for all AMR pilots.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSFvQ-0p2I
Now the same america west pilot in the video, eric auxier, is very confused about the amount of fuel he feels the need for vs his fellow pilots should have or allow to request. 
 
"
Eric Auxier said
July 20, 2008 @ 12:59 am
Petes2cents: On the surface, it sounds terrible. But here’s the real story, which I am attempting to get published in the USA Today:
As a multi-year Captain for USAirlines, I profusely apologize to the public for the misleading full page advertisement by our new “union,” USAPA, in the USA Today this week.
This ad was nothing more than attempt at muscle-flexing by an upstart union trying to turn safety into a negotiating tactic. This “union,” of which nearly all of our fellow West-based and many East-based pilots refuse to become members, has, in the scant few months of its existence, committed such foolhardy acts as:
1) Blatantly disregard and attempt to circumvent legally binding, preexisting arbitration;
2) Falsely accuse and sue members of its own pilot body, the entire case of which was thrown out of Federal Court last week as completely false and malicious;
3) attempt to force nonunion pilots to pay absurdly high union “dues” under threat of termination; and, in its USA Today advertisement;
3) defend a group of disgruntled pilots who are attempting to hurt our airline financially by unnecessarily ordering and burning extra fuel. This has been done by running unneeded engines on the ground during delays, and flying at absurdly inefficient speeds and altitudes.
I can speak with authority that our professional dispatchers do an outstanding job planning our flights with plenty of margin of fuel safety. Only rarely do I need to order and burn extra fuel, as these pilots who claim to be “professionals” have routinely done.
The public can rest assured that ALL of our USAirways pilots do indeed operate their aircraft in a safe manner, and the vast majority do so in an efficient manner as well. I do, however, fear for the Company’s future at the hands of a few loose cannons, both in the cockpit and in our sad excuse for a union, who dare to call their acts “professional.”
Signed,
A Concerned USAirways Captain, Eric Auxier"
 
http://picna.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/pilots-say-they-feel-pressure-to-cut-back-on-fuel/
 
 
 
Wendell xxxx about a year ago

It's cheaper to burn fuel hauling fuel for the next leg than to buy it in California. Interesting.
 


 
Eric Auxier about a year ago5
It's surprisingly true. Of course the computers calculate just how much is cost-effective. But as a pilot, I love to tanker...never can have enough fuel!
 



 
Arthur xxxxxxr about a year ago3
In my 35 years I had MANY arguments with the powers to be as to how much fuel I was loading. I NEVER lost a single argument...BUT.. I also NEVER had an in-flight fuel QUANTITY issue!
 



 
Arthur xxxxxr about a year ago3
You know I have had MANY arguments with the "powers to be" over fuel loads in my 35 yrs. and I have NEVER lost one of those arguments. Also I have never had an "in-flight" fuel quantity issue as well!
 


Eric Auxier about a year ago3
Lol, fortunately our company is good at respecting our requests 😉


 
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/popular/27065/A_Day_in_the_Life_of_an_Airline_Pilot_Video#48238
 
 
nycbusdriver said:
 
The PI anti-nepotism policy went by the wayside in the early 1980s, about the same time they started hiring ex-Braniff, ex-TWA, etc. pilots.  TJ and his father were simultaneously employed by PI, if my memory serves correctly.  I agree that TJ was totally qualified and had competitive experience when he was hired.  A lot of fathers recommended their sons and daughters.
 
But nepotism at Allegheny/USAir was notorious.  You couldn't swing a dead cat in the PIT crew room without hitting some senior captain's kid in his shiny new uniform.
I thought it was after I was hired in '86, but I could be wrong, it's been a long time. TJ?
 
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