Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[767one]

Yes, it's seniority neutral, you were well informed, Calveri and Holmes told you it was seniority neutral, and they told you to vote in favor of it.

I would think that if Calveri or Holmes had any doubts about it then they should have been expressing those doubts to all and also should have resigned with an explanation of why they resigned.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[767one]

I see you've posted 7X more than I have here. Not sure who has the problem. Being your career has been mostly wasted at an habitually failing carrier, I can somewhat understand your 7,154 post obsession. If the East position was so simple, clear and legal, do you think you'd need to comment over 7000x on the exact same subject? If you're always so right, why are you always in court? I know. Ignorant "desert Judges" and "senile" old men right?

Here's my prediction. If nothing else, the West will have independent, autonomous representation at the MB table fully paid for by USAPA. Prediction #2, the East/West list will be sorted out before the Real MB process ever begins. If I were you, I'd take the Nic now over letting the West walk 3 arbitrators through the actions of your scab union for the last 6 years. Let's see, Nic or a 1 for 1 starting from the very top...which do you prefer?

I think he uses the posts to explain it because hitting someone over the head with a 2X4 more than 7000 times could result in some serious medical issues not to mention legal issues.

All the best,

Bob

 

[767one]

It was over on April 2012. Or was it 2011? Either way, didn't you get the memo?

I think it was over long before 2001 or 12. It was over when usapa didn't even get 200 votes.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[Phoenix]

I would think that if Calveri or Holmes had any doubts about it then they should have been expressing those doubts to all and also should have resigned with an explanation of why they resigned.Cheers,Bob

Excellent point. If just one had resigned the news would have traveled like lightning.

 

[Pi brat]

Excellent point. If just one had resigned the news would have traveled like lightning.

But if they had done that the MOU wouldn't have passed. If the MOU hadn't passed then they wouldn't have a "contract that completes the TA  and makes the case ripe" and they couldn't sue. That was the plan all along, make their case ripe and just ignore the fact that the MOU actually amends and then does away with the TA.
 
For all the claims of treachery, the west is trying to use the MOU for something that it was not intended for. And unlike the east pilots that tried to right a wrong after the fact, they planned all of it before the vote. Intergrity-look it up.

 

[Pi brat]

I would think that if Calveri or Holmes had any doubts about it then they should have been expressing those doubts to all and also should have resigned with an explanation of why they resigned.

Cheers,

Bob

But Bob you have never operated with a victim mentality, so you can't understand their reasoning.

 

[snapthis]

But Bob you have never operated with a victim mentality, so you can't understand their reasoning.

Evading agreements and trying to screw over fellow pilots is a noble cause.

Where's that moral compass?

Hopelessly lost.

 

[snapthis]

It looks like another class action lawsuit may be in the works. If this holds up the distribution, don't blame Leonidas since they are not a party. Blame the ONION.

I would not spend that bonus yet.

"My attorney will be asking a court of law to recover actual monetary damages (anything less than a "full share"), legal fees, court costs, expert witness testimony, and for punitive damages as well.

In addition, since 8 out of the 11 USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives are US Airways East pilots, my attorney will be able to prove the $40 Million Distribution Resolution intentionally singled out a group of US Airways West pilots for a reduced share. "

 

[Reed Richards]

It looks like another class action lawsuit may be in the works. If this holds up the distribution, don't blame Leonidas since they are not a party. Blame the ONION.

I would not spend that bonus yet.

"My attorney will be asking a court of law to recover actual monetary damages (anything less than a "full share"), legal fees, court costs, expert witness testimony, and for punitive damages as well.

In addition, since 8 out of the 11 USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives are US Airways East pilots, my attorney will be able to prove the $40 Million Distribution Resolution intentionally singled out a group of US Airways West pilots for a reduced share. "

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I was waiting for something like this, business a usual. Whatever cognitive mental affliction Ken Holmes has must be contagious. If this is true, it would seem the PHX reps also dropped the ball. After all, the real intent of the  East reps was to disadvantage a "few" Westicles. Yeah, right. Sure. Leave it to Westie to keep his own brothers and sisters from getting a small payday, and denying Marty a few more dollars of back pay. Reminds me of the West intimidating their soon to be furloughs not to join the union, and miss out on free health care. You cannot make this stuff up. RR[/SIZE]

 

[snapthis]

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I was waiting for something like this, business a usual. Whatever cognitive mental affliction Ken Holmes has must be contagious. If this is true, it would seem the PHX reps also dropped the ball. After all, the real intent of the  East reps was to disadvantage a "few" Westicles. Yeah, right. Sure. Leave it to Westie to keep his own brothers and sisters from getting a small payday, and denying Marty a few more dollars of back pay. Reminds me of the West intimidating their soon to be furloughs not to join the union, and miss out on free health care. You cannot make this stuff up. RR[/SIZE]

 
You're right, you can't make this stuff up.
 
Forming a fake union with the intent of screwing West pilots out of prior agreements and future merger related benefits is a formula for litigation.
 
I'd say you deserve it.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
You're right, you can't make this stuff up.
 
Forming a fake union with the intent of screwing West pilots out of prior agreements and future merger related benefits is a formula for litigation.
 
I'd say you deserve it.

Every time you guys try and flog us you hit yourself in the process.  Maybe those head shots would account for the rampant mental issues the West is currently having.  Seems a total loss of reality is at hand when it comes to voting and the results that follow.  As an aside, I fault the entire BPR for making a circus out this distribution. How many hours did they spend on it? A good methodology was already on hand, but I guess the opportunity to mess with success was too much for them  to pass up.  About the only guy they missed giving a distribution to was the hand towel guy in the airport bathroom. RR

 

[Keroseneuser]

It looks like another class action lawsuit may be in the works. If this holds up the distribution, don't blame Leonidas since they are not a party. Blame the ONION.

I would not spend that bonus yet.

"My attorney will be asking a court of law to recover actual monetary damages (anything less than a "full share"), legal fees, court costs, expert witness testimony, and for punitive damages as well.

In addition, since 8 out of the 11 USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives are US Airways East pilots, my attorney will be able to prove the $40 Million Distribution Resolution intentionally singled out a group of US Airways West pilots for a reduced share. "

Good lord, this crowd would sue their own mother if they thought there was a buck to be had.

I will not be surprised in the least if before all this is done the west guys have lawsuits against the new AA, APA and anybody else they think they can fleece for a dime.

So exactly what is the reason that the pilot mentioned in your post is not scheduled to receive the full share of $8700?

 

[snapthis]

Every time you guys try and flog us you hit yourself in the process.  Maybe those head shots would account for the rampant mental issues the West is currently having.  Seems a total loss of reality is at hand when it comes to voting and the results that follow.  As an aside, I fault the entire BPR for making a circus out this distribution. How many hours did they spend on it? A good methodology was already on hand, but I guess the opportunity to mess with success was too much for them  to pass up.  About the only guy they missed giving a distribution to was the hand towel guy in the airport bathroom. RR

 
They certainly messed up the process. Someone should have listened to JS.
 
Right DC?

 

[nic4us]

But Bob you have never operated with a victim mentality, so you can't understand their reasoning.

Perhaps Bob never operated with the victim mentality, after all his career was saved days from having the rug pulled out from under it, then he got another 5 years at the top at the expense of others.

However, all we have ever heard from the rest of the east scabs is how they have been victimized. 911, senile arbitrators, biased judges, the company (and by company, I mean the company that saved their a$$) are all out to get the east pilots.

Oh, poor little east scabs, Mr Nicolau gave you a fair and equitable award, but it just did not make up for all the problems you brought yourselves, so you formed a SCAB union to steal it from others.

 

[snapthis]

Good lord, this crowd would sue their own mother if they thought there was a buck to be had.

I will not be surprised in the least if before all this is done the west guys have lawsuits against the new AA, APA and anybody else they think they can fleece for a dime.

So exactly what is the reason that the pilot mentioned in your post is not scheduled to receive the full share of $8700?

 
Oh, he is just trying to shake the union down for a dime, so someone went out hired a high-paid attorney to get said dime.
 
Maybe it would be easier to pay the pilot the dime and avoid another lawsuit....