Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

 
ONE other thing?  That's easy.  In fact, it's their very first accomplishment.  Tossing ALPA into the gutter.
 
See, it really makes no difference if the world is not on USAPA's side.  Because the law is.

ALPA had it coming for a long time. The main purpose of ALPA, is ALPA! ("was," in our case)

 

[end_of_alpa]

ONE other thing?  That's easy.  In fact, it's their very first accomplishment.  Tossing ALPA into the gutter.
 
See, it really makes no difference if the world is not on USAPA's side.  Because the law is.

There it is! The truth.

 

[CallawayGolf]

My guess is that ALPA national is happier not to be representing east LCC pilots over the past six years than east pilots collectively are enjoying not to be represented by ALPA. The reality is that USAPA has done nothing the east pilots could not have done under ALPA by simply voting down any proposed JCBA/TA, except spending lots and lots of money on lawyers and federal court cases. USAPA stands alone in that distinctive characteristic among pilot unions.

 

[Phoenix]

My guess is that ALPA national is happier not to be representing east LCC pilots over the past six years than east pilots collectively are enjoying not to be represented by ALPA. The reality is that USAPA has done nothing the east pilots could not have done under ALPA by simply voting down any proposed JCBA/TA, except spending lots and lots of money on lawyers and federal court cases. USAPA stands alone in that distinctive characteristic among pilot unions.

 Hey RR, here is new twist on your theorem.  
 
Same story different day.  "Everyone is happier than youse guys because you could have had more money."  

 

[nevergiveup]

My guess is that ALPA national is happier not to be representing east LCC pilots over the past six years than east pilots collectively are enjoying not to be represented by ALPA. The reality is that USAPA has done nothing the east pilots could not have done under ALPA by simply voting down any proposed JCBA/TA, except spending lots and lots of money on lawyers and federal court cases. USAPA stands alone in that distinctive characteristic among pilot unions.

Good!

 

[CaptChill]

 
What's the other part of that "accomplished much"?
 
 
"Good work"?  GMAFB

 
[SIZE=10pt]I for one am ashamed of your condemnation of USAPA in its entirety... Following is another achievement of USAPA which you don't feel is one of their accomplishments... [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]American pilot talks about her experience on US Airways flighthttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]By Terry Maxonhttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/author/tmaxon/
tmaxon@dallasnews.com[/SIZE]
2:02 pm on January 30, 2009 | Permalink
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots, sent out this account Friday afternoon. Rather than repeat what the APA wrote, I’ll provide it in its entirety:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The following is an exclusive account for our members from one of our pilots who was onboard US Airways Flight 1549 when the pilots made a successful emergency ditching into New York’s Hudson River. First Officer Susan O’Donnell is a LGA-based 767 pilot. She resides with her family in Winnsboro, South Carolina. Susan is a former Navy pilot, hired at AA in February 1990. She has flown the 727, F100, A300 and now the 767.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The following is her account of the flight, the rescue and recovery response, as well as the support she experienced afterward. This is intended to give each of you a unique insight into the event. We also hope that the crew’s tremendous effort to take care of each other and the nearly instantaneous support of USAPA and APA responders become “takeaways” for our pilots to use when faced with an emergency.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“The USAPA representative was on the scene very quickly, and again included the other jumpseat rider and myself with the rest of the crew. I didn’t see a flight attendant representative; USAPA took care of the FAs as well. The USAPA representative escorted the entire crew to the hospital (we rode in a NYFD fire truck), where we were joined by other USAPA reps and the USAPA lawyer, all of whom continued to consider me as one of the crew. At the hospital, I had finally called the APA “in case of accident” number on the back of my ID badge for APA. I had not initially thought of that as applying to my situation, as a jumpseater on another airline, but I called anyway. I spoke with APA LGA Vice Chairman Captain Glenn Schafer, who departed immediately to come assist me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“After a routine evaluation, they transported us by police car to a hotel, where rooms were waiting. The USAPA version of our Flight Assist was also there, and they spoke to me and offered me whatever assistance I needed, again as if I was one of their own. The USAPA reps also brought all of us some clothing and toiletries that they had purchased. Captain Schafer arrived at the hotel, bringing me some necessary items. He stayed overnight at the hotel, making flight arrangements for me to go home the next day and escorting me to the airport. Captain Mark Cronin from the AA NY Flight Office met me at the departure gate, again offering assistance and support.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“I am grateful for the many calls of concern and offers of help I have received, from fellow pilots, union representatives and the company, and I am grateful for and proud of the response and assistance of both USAPA and APA. I would hope that our union would treat another airline’s crewmember as kindly as I was treated. USAirways has also been superb, treating me as if I was a paying passenger. I am also thankful for the professionalism and capabilities of Captain Sullenberger, FO Skiles and FAs Dent, Dail and Welsh. They certainly did our profession proud, and they saved my life.”[/SIZE]

 

[Freighterguynow]

 

As oil prices are again on the rise, a static fleet size is more likely than not on both sides of the Mississippi. In a static fleet scenario, more than one - third of East attrition is a result of aFirst Officer retirement and will not yield an additional Captain upgrade.

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[Res Judicata]

I for one am ashamed of your condemnation of USAPA in its entirety... Following is another achievement of USAPA which you don't feel is one of their accomplishments...
 
American pilot talks about her experience on US Airways flighthttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/
By Terry Maxonhttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/author/tmaxon/tmaxon@dallasnews.com2:02 pm on January 30, 2009 | Permalink
 
The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots, sent out this account Friday afternoon. Rather than repeat what the APA wrote, I’ll provide it in its entirety:
The following is an exclusive account for our members from one of our pilots who was onboard US Airways Flight 1549 when the pilots made a successful emergency ditching into New York’s Hudson River. First Officer Susan O’Donnell is a LGA-based 767 pilot. She resides with her family in Winnsboro, South Carolina. Susan is a former Navy pilot, hired at AA in February 1990. She has flown the 727, F100, A300 and now the 767.
The following is her account of the flight, the rescue and recovery response, as well as the support she experienced afterward. This is intended to give each of you a unique insight into the event. We also hope that the crew’s tremendous effort to take care of each other and the nearly instantaneous support of USAPA and APA responders become “takeaways” for our pilots to use when faced with an emergency.
 
 
“The USAPA representative was on the scene very quickly, and again included the other jumpseat rider and myself with the rest of the crew. I didn’t see a flight attendant representative; USAPA took care of the FAs as well. The USAPA representative escorted the entire crew to the hospital (we rode in a NYFD fire truck), where we were joined by other USAPA reps and the USAPA lawyer, all of whom continued to consider me as one of the crew. At the hospital, I had finally called the APA “in case of accident” number on the back of my ID badge for APA. I had not initially thought of that as applying to my situation, as a jumpseater on another airline, but I called anyway. I spoke with APA LGA Vice Chairman Captain Glenn Schafer, who departed immediately to come assist me.
“After a routine evaluation, they transported us by police car to a hotel, where rooms were waiting. The USAPA version of our Flight Assist was also there, and they spoke to me and offered me whatever assistance I needed, again as if I was one of their own. The USAPA reps also brought all of us some clothing and toiletries that they had purchased. Captain Schafer arrived at the hotel, bringing me some necessary items. He stayed overnight at the hotel, making flight arrangements for me to go home the next day and escorting me to the airport. Captain Mark Cronin from the AA NY Flight Office met me at the departure gate, again offering assistance and support.
“I am grateful for the many calls of concern and offers of help I have received, from fellow pilots, union representatives and the company, and I am grateful for and proud of the response and assistance of both USAPA and APA. I would hope that our union would treat another airline’s crewmember as kindly as I was treated. USAirways has also been superb, treating me as if I was a paying passenger. I am also thankful for the professionalism and capabilities of Captain Sullenberger, FO Skiles and FAs Dent, Dail and Welsh. They certainly did our profession proud, and they saved my life.”

USAPA=SCABS

 

[Res Judicata]

Because the law is.

HA!!! Why has it been so difficult to prove then? Careful of that "dangerous ground" you're on.

 

[Phoenix]

 
[SIZE=10pt]I for one am ashamed of your condemnation of USAPA in its entirety... Following is another achievement of USAPA which you don't feel is one of their accomplishments... [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]American pilot talks about her experience on US Airways flighthttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2009/01/american-pilot-talks-about-her.html/[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]By Terry Maxonhttp://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/author/tmaxon/
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
2:02 pm on January 30, 2009 [/SIZE]| Permalink
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots, sent out this account Friday afternoon. Rather than repeat what the APA wrote, I’ll provide it in its entirety:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The following is an exclusive account for our members from one of our pilots who was onboard US Airways Flight 1549 when the pilots made a successful emergency ditching into New York’s Hudson River. First Officer Susan O’Donnell is a LGA-based 767 pilot. She resides with her family in Winnsboro, South Carolina. Susan is a former Navy pilot, hired at AA in February 1990. She has flown the 727, F100, A300 and now the 767.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The following is her account of the flight, the rescue and recovery response, as well as the support she experienced afterward. This is intended to give each of you a unique insight into the event. We also hope that the crew’s tremendous effort to take care of each other and the nearly instantaneous support of USAPA and APA responders become “takeaways” for our pilots to use when faced with an emergency.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“The USAPA representative was on the scene very quickly, and again included the other jumpseat rider and myself with the rest of the crew. I didn’t see a flight attendant representative; USAPA took care of the FAs as well. The USAPA representative escorted the entire crew to the hospital (we rode in a NYFD fire truck), where we were joined by other USAPA reps and the USAPA lawyer, all of whom continued to consider me as one of the crew. At the hospital, I had finally called the APA “in case of accident” number on the back of my ID badge for APA. I had not initially thought of that as applying to my situation, as a jumpseater on another airline, but I called anyway. I spoke with APA LGA Vice Chairman Captain Glenn Schafer, who departed immediately to come assist me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“After a routine evaluation, they transported us by police car to a hotel, where rooms were waiting. The USAPA version of our Flight Assist was also there, and they spoke to me and offered me whatever assistance I needed, again as if I was one of their own. The USAPA reps also brought all of us some clothing and toiletries that they had purchased. Captain Schafer arrived at the hotel, bringing me some necessary items. He stayed overnight at the hotel, making flight arrangements for me to go home the next day and escorting me to the airport. Captain Mark Cronin from the AA NY Flight Office met me at the departure gate, again offering assistance and support.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]“I am grateful for the many calls of concern and offers of help I have received, from fellow pilots, union representatives and the company, and I am grateful for and proud of the response and assistance of both USAPA and APA. I would hope that our union would treat another airline’s crewmember as kindly as I was treated. USAirways has also been superb, treating me as if I was a paying passenger. I am also thankful for the professionalism and capabilities of Captain Sullenberger, FO Skiles and FAs Dent, Dail and Welsh. They certainly did our profession proud, and they saved my life.”[/SIZE]

 
 

USAPA=SCABS

 
 

 
Could you clarify...

Do you mean that an APA pilot is a SCAB because she spoke well of her experience after the Hudson landing, and was very grateful of both the APA and USAPA reps that aided her?   

 

[snapthis]

HA!!! Why has it been so difficult to prove then? Careful of that "dangerous ground" you're on.

Did you see the letter from James Anderson? More dangerous grounds indeed.

USAPA Update – Do NOT Send Letters to Judge Silver

Earlier today Judge Silver directed the parties to “immediately communicate to all pilots that they should not send letters directly to the Court and that any letters will be immediately returned to sender.” A copy of the order (Doc 286) is attached and also available in the Member’s Legal Library, Addington II.

These AMR Bankruptcy Court filings are also available in the Member’s Legal Library:

 

[algflyr]

Did you see the letter from James Anderson? More dangerous grounds indeed.

USAPA Update – Do NOT Send Letters to Judge Silver

Earlier today Judge Silver directed the parties to “immediately communicate to all pilots that they should not send letters directly to the Court and that any letters will be immediately returned to sender.” A copy of the order (Doc 286) is attached and also available in the Member’s Legal Library, Addington II.

These AMR Bankruptcy Court filings are also available in the Member’s Legal Library:

 
I wonder if the pilots sending letters to the Judge are mostly East or West... ???
 
Also Snap, just a correction on you signature line...
 
End-of- USAPA, approved by 98% of West pilots and also the majority of East pilots
 
It's amazes me that some West pilots think we on the East feel USAPA would ever be the new union at the new American... I think most East pilots welcome the APA and if a vote were to happen, which I doubt, the majority of East pilots would vote for APA... Saying USAPA is dead with the merger doesn't elicit the response from East pilots that you think it does... Just sayin...

 

[end_of_alpa]

Did you see the letter from James Anderson? More dangerous grounds indeed.

USAPA Update – Do NOT Send Letters to Judge Silver

Earlier today Judge Silver directed the parties to “immediately communicate to all pilots that they should not send letters directly to the Court and that any letters will be immediately returned to sender.” A copy of the order (Doc 286) is attached and also available in the Member’s Legal Library, Addington II.

These AMR Bankruptcy Court filings are also available in the Member’s Legal Library:

The truth HURTS BUB.
 
 

 

[snapthis]

 
I see we've given up on the Spartans and Dire Wolves, and now into the sports analogies.  Yes...whatever two professional football teams did last night (I have no idea, and could not care less) is certainly apt to the argument you are making about two pilots groups. 
 
EastUS1 is right....we just can't make this stuff up.  Every time we think we have you westicles figured out, you make something else up that's INCREDIBLY stupid.  

 
Make something up?  Kinda like those dockworkers you were going to sick on Westies which got you in hot water a while back?
 
Sorry it's taken a while to respond. I've been looking into something more concerning.
 
 
Take a look at this order from today.


USAPA puts a note out today.
 
 
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Association, et al.,
Defendants.
)))))))))))
No. CV-13-00471-PHX-ROS
ORDER
The Court recently received another letter from a pilot. That letter will be docketed,
as was a prior letter from a different pilot. (Doc. 198). These letters are not appropriate and
the parties will be directed to communicate to all pilots that no additional letters should be
sent. In the event the Court receives future letters, they will be returned to sender rather than
docketed.
Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED the parties shall immediately communicate to all pilots that they
should not send letters directly to the Court and any letters will be immediately returned to
sender.
DATED this 26th day of November, 2013.
Suspect in U.S. attorney's slaying accused of paternity-test deception
http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/72166:an-unsolved-killing-and-the-us-attorney-scandal#13855028954061&action=collapse_widget&id=2611795
 
 
 "James Anderson, at the time that the case was dismissed, was a forty-year-old pilot for U.S. Airways, who lived alone in Beaux Arts, a Seattle suburb. On the night of Wales's murder, Westinghouse told investigators that he thought Anderson should be considered as a suspect. "We were concerned about a number of possibilities, one of which was that the murder might be related to our work, and one subject was the helicopter case," Westinghouse recalled. For the next several months, he received around-the-clock protection from U.S. marshals."
 
There is a James Anderson, US Airways (East) pilot who sent a letter to Judge Silver which I have read. He's also from Seattle Washington.
 
You can't make this stuff up.
 
http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/72166:an-unsolved-killing-and-the-us-attorney-scandal#13855028954061&action=collapse_widget&id=2611795
 
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008035461_wales06m.html

 

[snapthis]

 
I wonder if the pilots sending letters to the Judge are mostly East or West... ???
 
Also Snap, just a correction on you signature line...
 
End-of- USAPA, approved by 98% of West pilots and also the majority of East pilots
 
It's amazes me that some West pilots think we on the East feel USAPA would ever be the new union at the new American... I think most East pilots welcome the APA and if a vote were to happen, which I doubt, the majority of East pilots would vote for APA... Saying USAPA is dead with the merger doesn't elicit the response from East pilots that you think it does... Just sayin...

 
There is one letter in particular which is of concern. In addition, letters to the court like the one I read are not welcomed by Judges. If this person was trying to get the court's attention, he certainly did.
 
I realize USAPA did not have 98% of East support, not even close to 98% from the voting results I saw. It's the Usapians, who have created the ill will towards our pilot group with their assault on West pilots with RICO lawsuits. They divided this pilot group by pointing their guns at Westies rather than the company.
 
Like you, ready to move on to the APA.