AFA labor discussion (Work related)

[KARL ROVER]

If Teddy has such a heart for unions then why didn't she give up her travel privileges to come back here and run for LECP in PHL or CLT with this latest recall ??? She had the chance and decided against it so while I like the lady, she is not THAT dedicated.

In addition, why do posts always go back to Teddy---how long has she been gone ??? Hello !!????! or is it that she is going to try to run the union through Cathy in CLT so you people keep bringing her up ????

Well after reading this post I was amazed at the jealousy just oozing out. From what I have heard about Teddy she has the respect of most. Those who do not respect her are just jealous of her accomplishments. The poster here implies the only thing up for grabs was her travel privileges. Are we forgetting those who return from VFLR status come back as a new hires status starting at $ 20.00 hr when most of these people were making close to $ 40.00 hr when they left. IN addition they would also come back as a reserve flight attendant. It seems to me she probably made a very wise decision since she must have something more lucrative outside of the airline business. So the poster says she is not dedicated because she turned down the chance to come back as a bottom reserve making 18,000 yr. I would hate to think my LEC President or MEC president would make a decision such as that. And how about the current MEC president who wanted Teddy out so bad that he initiated a recall for her position just so he could step in? I suppose Songbird thinks he is dedicated? Yes he is dedicated to being very comfortable financially at the expense of our union members. You really think he is dedicated and cares about the members? Think again. Cathy may not be the total answer to us in CLT but would you keep electing a President who has no proven track record. I am just not getting it why the animosity toward a Union President who had the respect of both the union and the company.

 

[crazylikefox]

If Teddy has such a heart for unions then why didn't she give up her travel privileges to come back here and run for LECP in PHL or CLT with this latest recall ??? She had the chance and decided against it so while I like the lady, she is not THAT dedicated.

In addition, why do posts always go back to Teddy---how long has she been gone ??? Hello !!????! or is it that she is going to try to run the union through Cathy in CLT so you people keep bringing her up ????

Songbird, you've missed the proverbial boat. Why would she come back? Fact is, I know from personal experience that Teddy didn't care if you were this base or that. If you called and needed help, she got back to you within a few hours. Quite unlike the CLT local or our MEC "where no question has gone before". NONE of them answer, I doubt they are ever there personally. But back to why Teddy chose not to come back, she has her reasons. The same people who attacked & maligned her are still here. I will say though, she did care about this membership (probably still does) and gave her all for it.
Why do posts go back to Teddy? Simple, people remember the great ones. I wonder if you're jealous.
As far as running the union through Cathy? What have you been smoking? Cathy can do the job just fine and she's no puppet. The LANDSLIDE proves the point.

 

[KARL ROVER]

You're not getting me. When the first recall attempt failed due to forged signatures and members not being in good standing, someone should have looked at the calendar and said "hey, elections will be coming up the same time this recall will be held~~let's just have the base vote them out of office and save the membership the money and time."

However, now the election is being pushed back for a recall that is somewhat of a mute point. After the recall they are still allowed to run for office. You say that 1/3 of the base is unhappy with what they've done, but what happens if 2/3 of the base is happy with how they've done (just hypothetically because I know I'm not) then after the recall they can get voted right back in. It's been a waste of time and money.

The election was coming up anyway....and no, they did not choose to resign but it's just my opinion that those who forced the recall at such a late date are being just as vindictive as John, Grace and Omar and stooping to their level by wasting time that should be given to a new election for the PHL members voices and votes to be counted.

If they didn't have to push the new election back to take care of this back stabbing business, we'd have new blood in office a lot sooner.

So you think your members in PHL should have to wait until July for new representation? You can only imagine how much damage your current officers could create in the next 5 months . So lets talk about a waste of money. Why dont you ask your LEC pres to reveal the financial records and see how much money from union dues they are taking out of the membership budget. As a member in PHL you have the right to see those records so before you discuss wasting union monies i suggest you look at your local office , that is of course if you arent trying to protect the current officers.

What if we waited for the next election to replace Ann? We would have to wait 2 1/2 years. I have to disagree with you on this one songbird. If your members are unhappy they should not allow these people to stay until July. JMO

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

If Teddy has such a heart for unions then why didn't she give up her travel privileges to come back here and run for LECP in PHL or CLT with this latest recall ??? She had the chance and decided against it so while I like the lady, she is not THAT dedicated.

Teddy is not dedicated? I would say she is not stupid. But I am not sure I understand why you feel she is not dedicated? Because she has a life (after this train wreck of an airline), a better source of income, and she was not willing to come back (at the bottom) to the worst (compensated) airline in the industry. As much as I would like her to come back- what exactly is she supposed to came back and do? What Pat, Mike, and Carol have NOT been able to do in 5 years (yet thought she was unqualified). Be an effective union leader(s). Well I guess they aren't either- and have proven it.

All we can do is hope that Cathy does what she campaigned on and what we elected her to do. Maybe just maybe she will shake things up!!

She was and still is dedicated. Just not dedicated in wasting her time on a losing proposition. And as much as I hoped she would return, I don't blame her for using her head.

In addition, why do posts always go back to Teddy---how long has she been gone ??? Hello !!????! or is it that she is going to try to run the union through Cathy in CLT so you people keep bringing her up ????
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She does have a life - I doubt she will be running anything through Cathy- they are both their own women- although she would probably be more than happy to give Cathy some helpful advise on the position and union inner workings. People keep bringing her up because she was the last great AFA union leader that wasn't a sell out. I miss definitely miss her spirit.
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[PITbull]

Well after reading this post I was amazed at the jealousy just oozing out. From what I have heard about Teddy she has the respect of most. Those who do not respect her are just jealous of her accomplishments. The poster here implies the only thing up for grabs was her travel privileges. Are we forgetting those who return from VFLR status come back as a new hires status starting at $ 20.00 hr when most of these people were making close to $ 40.00 hr when they left. IN addition they would also come back as a reserve flight attendant. It seems to me she probably made a very wise decision since she must have something more lucrative outside of the airline business. So the poster says she is not dedicated because she turned down the chance to come back as a bottom reserve making 18,000 yr. I would hate to think my LEC President or MEC president would make a decision such as that. And how about the current MEC president who wanted Teddy out so bad that he initiated a recall for her position just so he could step in? I suppose Songbird thinks he is dedicated? Yes he is dedicated to being very comfortable financially at the expense of our union members. You really think he is dedicated and cares about the members? Think again. Cathy may not be the total answer to us in CLT but would you keep electing a President who has no proven track record. I am just not getting it why the animosity toward a Union President who had the respect of both the union and the company.

Wow. I am so surprised at what songbird has stated. I know songbird and I am frankly quite shocked. I have weighed it out, and did think about returning. I spoke to a few folks, in fact. I actually argued (which songbird was included in those e-mails to the MEC) as well as cindi Simone herself at the way they were interpreting the language for travel at year one. I challenged the interpretation of the language and argued that the very few that would be coming back would not have an impact on the flying seniority, and that the spirit of the language for year one as a new hire for all purposes was for pay, vacation and bidding purposes. I was shot down by the MECP and cindi, and songbird as they were copied in. Nonetheless, even if I came back and made that sacrifice once again, no one knows who would win? How would I travel, and the salary at my age? Nope. There are more saavy folks now who can do those positions and kick butt, as so obvious by what is happening in CLT. I also make about 5 times as much currently as I would as a f/a.

No. I think it is high time that the f/as take over their own union and have these folks step up to the plate. These should not be lifetime positons. New blood is good as long as the folks are good who are running, intelligent and have a passion for the our labor group. As I wrote out before i left office, that the batton has been transferrred and if at ANYTIME the Current MEC is not working for you, "I trust you will take them out"! (Quote). And that is exactly what is happening.

I don't know Cathy anymore than i know the man on the moon. But, the f/as have spoken, and they are quite sick of the same group that is in there...landslide election, and so be it. One base at a time, methodical, succinct and consistent. that is the only way to rid yourselves of the current MEC leadership, the chairs (aida grievance ) for one and at the tip top of the list needs to go. She and Josie International have been having a jolly good time arguing nothing that takes any kind of research for these MEC grievances. they could careless as i can see some of the issues that were being argued in 2005 are still not resolved, and somehow THEY (grievance) have lost or blame others for the lack of paperwork they no longer have. There are enough f/as now that can see so clearly on what is going on in the current tapestry of this union, and they are taking over, just as it calls for and just as the democratic process works when folks start paying attention around them...they oust the lazy ones out, every last remanent that smells of them.

Look out! Company must be as nervous as hell, cause they know, nothing will pass with the current leadership at the helm, they just aren't trusted, not their judgement, not there positions, and not who they are or have become.

This chapter is closed. NEXT!

 

[PITbull]

and when they find out she is not the Messiah but just plain nuts they will string Cathy up in 3-4 years too. The company is laughing their butts off at this whole situation. While Ann needed to go, Cathy was not the answer. Good luck to all in CLT.

With all due respect to you...do YOU have the gutts to step up?????? Do you know what it takes??? Or do you look through rose colored glasses and point the fingers to others to get all fired up and put themselves in the front line of fire?There is alot more to union business than being a member on some volunteer committee. Having a platform, campaigning, running an election, and winning is only a fraction of the work.

Its long arduous process that takes a unique dedication, consistency, a strong-will against the odds of the establishment, and unmeasurable passion for the duties to get any kind of asuccessful outcome. If you as a leader work hard, those around you will too.

 

[Furloughd4now]

With all due respect to you...do YOU have the gutts to step up?????? Do you know what it takes??? Or do you look through rose colored glasses and point the fingers to others to get fired in the front lines?There is alot more to union business than being a member on some volunteer committee. Having a platform, campaigning, running an election, and winning is only a fraction of the work.

Its long arduous process that takes a unique dedication, consistency, strong will against the odds of the establishment, and unmeasurable passion for the duties to get any kind of asuccessful outcome. If you as a leader work hard, those around you will too.

Hay PitBull! Good to hear from you again! I know we have alot of armchair quarterbacks here (even myself). I readily admit though, that I do not have the preserverance or wherewithall to run for Office. I, also, am not one of the one bad-mouthing any person that decides to run for office. I AM, however, fed up with being treated as a third-class citizen since I am on RSV.

So here's to change

 

[ExPit]

With all due respect to you...do YOU have the gutts to step up?????? Do you know what it takes??? Or do you look through rose colored glasses and point the fingers to others to get all fired up and put themselves in the front line of fire?There is alot more to union business than being a member on some volunteer committee. Having a platform, campaigning, running an election, and winning is only a fraction of the work.

Its long arduous process that takes a unique dedication, consistency, a strong-will against the odds of the establishment, and unmeasurable passion for the duties to get any kind of asuccessful outcome. If you as a leader work hard, those around you will too.

Hey PitBull,

While we all wish you could come back and lead us out of this h#ll, we respect and appreciate why you didn't. If we're lucky, the new leadership in Charlotte will fight for the flight attendants and make it better and we will realize that our votes do count and we are able to take back our union.

 

[Furloughd4now]

So does anyone have the actual tally of votes? As usual it is not posted on the AFA website. Thanks!

 

[Twicebaked]

Wow. I am so surprised at what songbird has stated. I know songbird and I am frankly quite shocked. I have weighed it out, and did think about returning. I spoke to a few folks, in fact. I actually argued (which songbird was included in those e-mails to the MEC) as well as cindi Simone herself at the way they were interpreting the language for travel at year one. I challenged the interpretation of the language and argued that the very few that would be coming back would not have an impact on the flying seniority, and that the spirit of the language for year one as a new hire for all purposes was for pay, vacation and bidding purposes. I was shot down by the MECP and cindi, and songbird as they were copied in. Nonetheless, even if I came back and made that sacrifice once again, no one knows who would win? How would I travel, and the salary at my age? Nope. There are more saavy folks now who can do those positions and kick butt, as so obvious by what is happening in CLT. I also make about 5 times as much currently as I would as a f/a.

No. I think it is high time that the f/as take over their own union and have these folks step up to the plate. These should not be lifetime positons. New blood is good as long as the folks are good who are running, intelligent and have a passion for the our labor group. As I wrote out before i left office, that the batton has been transferrred and if at ANYTIME the Current MEC is not working for you, "I trust you will take them out"! (Quote). And that is exactly what is happening.

I don't know Cathy anymore than i know the man on the moon. But, the f/as have spoken, and they are quite sick of the same group that is in there...landslide election, and so be it. One base at a time, methodical, succinct and consistent. that is the only way to rid yourselves of the current MEC leadership, the chairs (aida grievance ) for one and at the tip top of the list needs to go. She and Josie International have been having a jolly good time arguing nothing that takes any kind of research for these MEC grievances. they could careless as i can see some of the issues that were being argued in 2005 are still not resolved, and somehow THEY (grievance) have lost or blame others for the lack of paperwork they no longer have. There are enough f/as now that can see so clearly on what is going on in the current tapestry of this union, and they are taking over, just as it calls for and just as the democratic process works when folks start paying attention around them...they oust the lazy ones out, every last remanent that smells of them.

Look out! Company must be as nervous as hell, cause they know, nothing will pass with the current leadership at the helm, they just aren't trusted, not their judgement, not there positions, and not who they are or have become.

This chapter is closed. NEXT!

Where's the "like" button? Luv ya PiTbull

 

[flybynite]

Oh for Pete's Sake.....Pit Bull doesn't live here anymore.

But she is right about one thing..the body has spoken.

Problem is....the company isn't nervous as hell. In this base, they know Cathy quite well and she will not get any wiggle room on anything. Management here does not respect her ( in fact...they detest her ) and they have reason why. They will be hard line with her.

Which can and will present a problem for our f/a's.

Now she can fight 'til the cows come home but she will have no impact. She will come up against a wall. Just my opinion...but one that should have been listened to.

However, she will be walking into a very well run office. Some people aren't so lucky. She has a very good group of people there. That is a big plus. And she should avail herself of them.

Hopefully she doesn't see the need to replace them. Although I don't see how since they are all elected positions. And their records are pristine.

 

[galley princess]

I generally agree that having a decent working relationship between the local union office and the company supervisors tends to expedite and help f/as that have situations and problems that get out of control.

However, and I could be wrong here, isn't most of this recall stuff about getting rid of the rubber stamping that MF has counted on for the last five years?

I do not know why the LECs have backed him so strongly. As far as I am concerned when the first email detailing the reserve part of the tentative came out, he became toast, and then when the next mess was released, it became clear that something is very wrong, whether you call it Stockholm syndrome or too many company lunches. He and CA have put us in quite the mess, and it really isn't clear how we are going to get out of it.

They basically gave up our scheduling system to an unknown PBS, that will work for no one but the top tier, who also don't even know that it doesn't allow them to bid positions, as they have done for the last 50 years.

They wrote a completely unacceptable reserve system.

They proposed a top wage of $62 / hour, which is basically industry standard and then released a new email saying they are down to $50 top pay which is at least $7 below industry standard.

They gave away our autonomy for FREE, enabling a CSD program and elimating a key source of income that was by seniority.

Folks, we're in trouble here. I know nothing about this Cathy person, however US f/as need CHANGE and they need it yesterday.

MF and CA have to step aside. They have botched it. They've created a concessionary contract in what should be a zero concession zone. The recalls, from what I can see is an attempt to cut the legs off that have been supporting them and that is a good thing.


If I have read this wrong, please correct me.

 

[flybynite]

I generally agree that having a decent working relationship between the local union office and the company supervisors tends to expedite and help f/as that have situations and problems that get out of control.

However, and I could be wrong here, isn't most of this recall stuff about getting rid of the rubber stamping that MF has counted on for the last five years?

I do not know why the LECs have backed him so strongly. As far as I am concerned when the first email detailing the reserve part of the tentative came out, he became toast, and then when the next mess was released, it became clear that something is very wrong, whether you call it Stockholm syndrome or too many company lunches. He and CA have put us in quite the mess, and it really isn't clear how we are going to get out of it.

They basically gave up our scheduling system to an unknown PBS, that will work for no one but the top tier, who also don't even know that it doesn't allow them to bid positions, as they have done for the last 50 years.

They wrote a completely unacceptable reserve system.

They proposed a top wage of $62 / hour, which is basically industry standard and then released a new email saying they are down to $50 top pay which is at least $7 below industry standard.

They gave away our autonomy for FREE, enabling a CSD program and elimating a key source of income that was by seniority.

Folks, we're in trouble here. I know nothing about this Cathy person, however US f/as need CHANGE and they need it yesterday.

MF and CA have to step aside. They have botched it. They've created a concessionary contract in what should be a zero concession zone. The recalls, from what I can see is an attempt to cut the legs off that have been supporting them and that is a good thing.


If I have read this wrong, please correct me.

If you don't like the contract....vote no. It's real simple and I'm not being sarcastic. Just vote No.

You don't have to recall anybody if you don't like what you see. Just vote No. You can't be any more clear than that.

Recalling the JNC is a lot of drama and a waste of time. A waste of resources that could be best used elsewhere.

By the way, the PBS system is on the AFA west website. Go have a look. It's not as bad as you may think. What disturbs me is that it's not been posted via E-Line as it should have been. The west f/a's have had this info for a while.

And just so you know.....PBS has been a known possibility in our contract for at least 5 years. Read your contract.

 

[700UW]

Why would waste time and keeping the same leadership who failed the membership over and over. You will never get a CBA with the current JNC in place as they have lost touch with the membership.

 

[flybynite]

Why would waste time and keeping the same leadership who failed the membership over and over. You will never get a CBA with the current JNC in place as they have lost touch with the membership.

How would you know? You're not a f/a nor a flight crew member. Nor is it any of your business. I don't go poking my nose in yours.