IAM Fleet Service thread 8/20-8/31

[Ramp Rogue]

East , west , it’s only a few more months till November , who cares about the geographical division anymore?

We should absolutely be concentrating on situating any of our workers who want to transfer to another station to maintain their employment with us airways , if this means running some stations short staffed for a while in order to keep positions open , so be it .

Freedom,

Running short staffed for a day or 2 is one thing. Running short staffed for weeks into months is a whole different ball game. You try loading and unloading bulked out 321's with 3 people, everyday, all day, for months. I guarantee your tune will change.

Geographics has nothing to do with it. The workload does.

Rogue

 

[NevadaHP]

Well, if you work safe and load the A/C per the GOM and delays start occuring maybe they will listen, the company only listens when numbers go down.

 

[pit_till_death]

Anybody hear why PIT Local 1044's books were taken and audited by Labor Relations??????? Somebody has to know. 😱

 

[700UW]

Labor Relations would have not authority to take the IAM LL 1044s books, only thing that could do that would be the Department of Labor, and unions are audited by the DOL because of the fees to be calculated for dues objectors.

So I call BS on that one, the company has no right to see the locals books.

 

[pit_till_death]

Labor Relations would have not authority to take the IAM LL 1044s books, only thing that could do that would be the Department of Labor, and unions are audited by the DOL because of the fees to be calculated for dues objectors.

So I call BS on that one, the company has no right to see the locals books.

I know for a fact that the books were taken from '05-'08, so it must have been the DOL.

 

[700UW]

When I was an officer of 1725 in CLT, the DOL would send auditors in to check the books due to the audits needed for the fees to charge the dues objectors.

It is standard practice.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I just got an email from one of my coworkers saying the CLT shift bid is cancelled due to not enough people & that CLT is adding 40 flts NOV. Is this true ?

 

[freedom]

Freedom,

Running short staffed for a day or 2 is one thing. Running short staffed for weeks into months is a whole different ball game. You try loading and unloading bulked out 321's with 3 people, everyday, all day, for months. I guarantee your tune will change.

Geographics has nothing to do with it. The workload does.

Rogue

3 people for a 321 ... yeah that's not good .... :unsure:

 

[jimntx]

In my 40+ years of working in major industry, the one cliche that I have found to be a truism in every company is "No good deed goes unpunished."

You decide that it is not the passengers' or the air crews' fault that the company is short-staffing the ramp; so, you bust a gut trying to get the a/c out on time. The result: the company uses that as an excuse to continue short-staffing. Their argument is that because you got the flight out on time with 3 rampers, you just proved that 4 (or 5) were not needed.

Work to rule. Work to rule. Work to rule.

Do not risk injury. Do not risk injury. Do not risk injury.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Well, if you work safe and load the A/C per the GOM and delays start occuring maybe they will listen, the company only listens when numbers go down.

When management sees delays on the horizen they force the helping hands to help. Thereby the flight goes out on time and they didn't have to call any overtime. Everything is fine as far as management is concerned, but as far as the workforce is concerned management is just adding fuel to the fire. And no one on the east will grieve it because in order to get paid for it they would have to come in and work the hours. On the other hand the east never gives the west a helping hand, because management knows the west will grieve it and they don't have to come in and work the hours. They would get the grievence pay for free. Does anyone besides my see and understand the can of worms that canale opened?

rogue

 

[freedom]

When management sees delays on the horizen they force the helping hands to help. Thereby the flight goes out on time and they didn't have to call any overtime. Everything is fine as far as management is concerned, but as far as the workforce is concerned management is just adding fuel to the fire. And no one on the east will grieve it because in order to get paid for it they would have to come in and work the hours. On the other hand the east never gives the west a helping hand, because management knows the west will grieve it and they don't have to come in and work the hours. They would get the grievence pay for free. Does anyone besides my see and understand the can of worms that canale opened?

rogue

Well , it actually sounds like management is playing the situation appropriately …. Right now their goal is to cut back on everything , that would include overtime , so if their smart enough to work the helping hands system to their own benefit that just sucks for you …

Have you considered talking to the union to see if you can just integrate the ramp as far as flight/work distribution goes prior to November ?

It makes little sense in my mind to increase staffing at your station if your already adequately staffed but simply won’t or can’t work together because of a “clause†…. I wouldn’t look to the company to elevate your suffering by increasing staffing …highly doubtful .

 

[bagchucker]

We aren't allowed to work on east flights (or handle east bags in the bag room). After the TA was signed, we began working east flights but someone on the east side got upset and called the union.We aren't allowed to help unless it's a "Helping Hands" situation. Helping Hands is poorly defined. They get upset if we help and upset when we don't. It's very frustrating.

That is not a good situation. It seems that there needs to be some sort of union intervention there to ease the tension and offer the leadership necessary to squash the mess. Sorry you are having to endure it.

 

[bagchucker]

As November gets closer, the war between the East and the West is beginning to escalate.

Where is the battlefield for this war?
Why does there need to be a war?

We have endured 3 years of this merger and lots has transpired, including a lengthy process to get a substandard T.A. Those of us that are still here need to cut the perceived loses and move forward... we do, and have had, a choice this whole time. So if people still choose to be non-receptive to their East/West counterparts, it is personal thing that they need to deal with, without bring down the masses in the process.

We have a ND leadership and we should be hopeful that this administration will help our transition to one seniority list in November and ease any animosity. I get the perception that the rifts that are out there are station specific and that it is not a system wide situation.

 

[necigrad]

BC is retiring as of late OCT, Your new AGC'S are Nick Handlow and Mickey Hughes. They are coming to LAS very soon to hear concerns of all Fleet brothers and Sisters. ND08 believes placing two AGC'S in the Hubs at Usairways will give the membership better representation. PHX will have Frank Odonell and Mark Wingard, CLT will have Mike Crowell and Nick Handlow, PHL will have Frank Odonell and Handlow.

I dunno which AGC you were thinking of (only seen NG and AF in LAS), but the BC I was talking about was (mis)management. He is the new Senior Manager of LAS. Until he destroys the station at least.

 

[orioleman]

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