IAM Fleet Service Topic 6/7-6/13

[pjirish317]

Let's go CLT, PIT, ATL, and MSP. Lets finally put canoli and crew to rest. With the latest shinanegans from canoli, like Tim sez, WE NEED TO BE PROTEST PROOF! And for those at the International, DistrictForce, this means you, we are watching how you handle the company lap dog as he gets voted out. I would say a short leash would be approiate on your part, but we will see. And if canoli had a sack he would be in CLT today, but alas he does not even care about CLT, or anybody else but himself. How sad. LETS GET THIS DONE! How do I get some BBQ sent to me from the throw down? RAO, Oman, Dirt? PM me and we can discuss it.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Canale sure wasn't in CLT when I voted. Nice seeing everyone & looks like a good turn out thus far. Roadtrip nice meeting you today & hello to my good friend Frankie O nice seeing you also.
As for this bankrupcy thing read my lips NO MORE CONCESSIONS PERIOD, It's time to be done first.

 

[doing it on my knees]

This forum is so funny, we all have these cryptic handles and we all avoid using our real names, (except for TIM) some even avoid putting where they are from. I thought we're all peers, family etc. Are we scared to defend something we wrote here, in person, in the event some of us actually meet. you shouldn't be scared to stand up for something you believe in.
I would love to go to one of the CLT BBQs and see how these meetings take place. Do you introduce yourselves by the USAVIATION handles?
I'm hoping to get to CLT once this intergration takes place. Can't wait to meet some of the guys here.
Nevada HP, I used to work with you in LAS, recently. You could probably figure out my name by my picture. We never hung out, but I respected how hard you fought management. They must have had a party after terminating you. "WE FINALLY GOT HIM", shouts BEN C!!!!!!!!" I hope you get your job back soon.
So I'm here in a tiny station with less than 20 employees, DOING IT ON MY KNEES, waiting for the visit from TEMPE, telling us our options as far as fulough go. CLT here I come.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Doing it on my knees:
I post with a real name. Nothing to be scared of. If you can make a trip to CLT pm me would love to meet you.

 

[binderella]

Under our Contract, it is implied. The work in the Tower requires that they lead and direct. With the signing of the contract in 1999, the east hubs have leads manning the Tower. CLP contractually requires no minimum lead ratio (Article 4. D.). I do not know how they have utilized leads historically.

Does this apply to those who work in the Tower at BWI?

 

[doing it on my knees]

Doing it on my knees:
I post with a real name. Nothing to be scared of. If you can make a trip to CLT pm me would love to meet you.

Hey Coach,
You must have gotten hell for that first name
Tim was the best/quickest example I could come up with. Sorry if you felt left out.
Once I get to CLT, Ill try to meet up with all of these crazy posters. They all seem very nice and helpful so far. Can't wait.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Hey Coach,
You must have gotten hell for that first name
Tim was the best/quickest example I could come up with. Sorry if you felt left out.
Once I get to CLT, Ill try to meet up with all of these crazy posters. They all seem very nice and helpful so far. Can't wait.

Great bunch of folks here & you will already have lots of friends.
As for the first name catch it all the time

 

[P. REZ]

doing it on my knees,

This forum is so funny, we all have these cryptic handles and we all avoid using our real names, (except for TIM) some even avoid putting where they are from. I thought we're all peers, family etc. Are we scared to defend something we wrote here, in person, in the event some of us actually meet. you shouldn't be scared to stand up for something you believe in.


P. is the first letter of my first name. REZ is the first 3 letters of my last name. Former president of TWU local 580 before the merger. Everyone knows who I am. Never been afraid of stating my opinion at any time.

Good luck in CLT.


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let me ask you this,

What happens if US files Chapter 11 again and then the ND team is forced to negotiate concessions with US or face an abrogation once again?

The airlines have attacked the masses to oppress the living wage in this industry and I see no reason why the airlines will back off. This is everything about permanently changing this industry and converting it to a low wage/migrant worker industry.

With load factors around 85%, ticket prices should be 'jacked up immensely' and the cost passed along to the pax. The high load factor tells everyone that the prices are too low. Try non-reving.
It's called supply and demand. However, instead of jacking up prices, all the VP execs are huddled and more concerned with charging $3 for 'pillows and blankees'. Geez Louise!
Soon enough they will be huddling and coming back to the masses saying that if concessions aren't given then bankruptcy may follow.
Bottom line, concessions outside of bankruptcy don't prevent your company from going into bankruptcy and then asking for more anyways.

The only other scam I see developing is a new ESOP. I mean with the credit markets so pathetic, together with the small chance of this company finding an investor, the only alternative for investment and money is from within...its employees.

IMO, I want nothing to do with esops or 'new stock'. At best it scams the masses and just gives management more time to manage badly.

Bottom line, any future negotiations in any context, IMO, must limit these out of control corporate parachutes, bonus', etc., or include some form of 'me too'. It's just not good enough to say 'other airlines give their CEO's these things'. There 'gotz' to be some accountability as opposed to oppressing the masses with more concessions.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[necigrad]

P Rez, as I understand it Tower/Ops will be fleet. I don't know if it was supposed to happen last month or in November though. I'd imagine that it will be determined by the timeline for that particular CBA section. As you know, the West lead premium was built into a leads hourly rate and not a premium by the Companies choice (as I understood it). I don't know how it's done on the East side, but I'd expect it to be however they do it.

To the East guys, how IS it done? Do you get paid your hourly rate PLUS an hourly premium? Do you have an hourly rate that reflects the lead pay?

 

[pjirish317]

Leads are paid $1.01 per hour extra. So now their pay rate is $20.01, while everybody elses, expect class II and West, are at $19.00. In PHX/LAS not sure when they get theirs so to speak. I think that it was to take effect on the transition date, which was May 31, 2008.

 

[jets_2573]

Bottom line, any future negotiations in any context, IMO, must limit these out of control corporate parachutes, bonus', etc., or include some form of 'me too'. It's just not good enough to say 'other airlines give their CEO's these things'. There 'gotz' to be some accountability as opposed to oppressing the masses with more concessions.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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...well said....and if i might add......
Continental Chief Executive Larry Kellner and President Jeff Smisek have declined to take their salaries for the rest of the year.

 

[The Bagfather]

Bottom line, any future negotiations in any context, IMO, must limit these out of control corporate parachutes, bonus', etc., or include some form of 'me too'. It's just not good enough to say 'other airlines give their CEO's these things'. There 'gotz' to be some accountability as opposed to oppressing the masses with more concessions.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago



...well said....and if i might add......
Continental Chief Executive Larry Kellner and President Jeff Smisek have declined to take their salaries for the rest of the year.

Here's my understanding of ex comp. Some time ago (80's?) people started getting
upset at ex's salaries. So they limited salaries. But then they got around that thru
stock options and other compensatory "non salary items". The result is that execs
now are making up to 400 x's a workers salary. So Kellner and Smisek may
not be giving up all that much, but it's more than Parker.

Maybe with the next Pres (the big one) this will be dealt with. But we for now can at least publicize
the lack of accountability as a union and why not bring it up in negotiations?

I totally agree with Tim's characterization of the plight of contempory labor. Adjust the
original minimum wage (which was supposed to have enabled a worker to support himself
and a family) for inflation and you get $17.00/hr. So even for WN the pay is
not so hot. Thanks BF

 

[WHISPERJETT]

Question

Are all CLP and Tower people considered leads under our contract? Is the lead premium added to your base pay or is it separated on your check? I have been asked these questions by our Tower people in PHX.

P.REZ,The Tower folKs are ALL Leads,making an extra $1.01 per hour above and beyond their current rate(Yr. Svc.)of pay...there is also a seperate position in the east towers called CLP Coordinator that to is a Lead position....That;s not to be confused with the CLP(W/B) job in PIT..those folks are part of fleet service, and have Leads over them....hope that answers your ????

 

[necigrad]

Leads are paid $1.01 per hour extra. So now their pay rate is $20.01, while everybody elses, expect class II and West, are at $19.00. In PHX/LAS not sure when they get theirs so to speak. I think that it was to take effect on the transition date, which was May 31, 2008.

So a lead doens't get paid an hourly rate and and hourly premium, but an hourly rate raised to reflect the premium? I know this may sound like symantics, but it is very important. If it's added to the hourly rate and not as a seperate premium it becomes your new hourly rate. That is what you get paid for on vacations, sick time, training, etc. I'm still not familiar with the East contract yet, but that was the result with the West TWU contract. It's really cool because a team lead could pick up a ramp shift and get paid TL pay.