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YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BE 10% SMARTER THAN THE THING UR DEALING WITH>>>it's hard when they have Spin Lawyers



Hey mike , i found you in the COC threads as well.... your a nice addition to my main take down .. everyone will now see you for what you are ... i hope your fingers are warm , cause your gonna have alot deleting to do in order to COVER UP your past postions....
 
According to Canale (assuming he was truthful) he knew the CiC would lose, but he "had" to let the Company think otherwise for bargining purposes.


Labor Relations Week

Volume: 21 Number: 33
August 16, 2007

" In exchange for the improvements, IAM agreed to drop a grievance it filed against US Airways over the change in control of the carriers. Even if IAM won the arbitrator's grievance award, it would not provide improvements equal to those in the tentative agreement, Canale said.

If the agreement is not ratified, the next opportunity to negotiate improvements will not come until the current US Airways contract becomes amendable at the end of 2009, he said. "
Copyright 2007, The Bureau of National Affairs, Inc., Washington, D.C.

Thats a lie. It triggered " Pay Parity " and other thing that was worth alot more than the SEPT TA.
 

YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BE 10% SMARTER THAN THE THING UR DEALING WITH>>>it's hard when they have Spin Lawyers



Hey mike , i found you in the COC threads as well.... your a nice addition to my main take down .. everyone will now see you for what you are ... i hope your fingers are warm , cause your gonna have alot deleting to do in order to COVER UP your past postions....


Good I can't wait............Please start with me first as I have to get ready for work...............You give me too too much credit for being you main take down.
 
I have quite a list , so let me start with red eye
Henderfuzzy,

I can see your reaction after winning the lottery:

"Holy crap, look at all the taxes I'm going to have to pay!"


That was written on sep5th 2007



OK let’s start on tim , anyone remember the IBEW attempt ?


Gents and gals,

The link IBEW Q & A Cliff Notes is an objective look at the questions regarding fleet service issues: Pension, election process, IBEW info.

I think more informed discussion can follow once this additional information is presented.
Copy, post, & distribute it everywhere.

regards,


That was oct 11,2007

Proud to be philly said

what happened here tim? the people deserve to know. you guaranteed all of them that the ibt was not going to pull out. you GUARANTEED it.How is it possible for anybody to ever take what you have to say as the truth? i wonder how much of all the other "inside information" you put out is true? any of it? please. talk about blowing smoke. what happened to all of your facts and promises?
regards


Sep 27 2007


Down in the same thread tim said

Let's give the IAM credit for its political maneuvering to keep fleet service. My understanding is that the IBEW is still a 'go' and that union is the only one standing and hasn't been appeased by the IAM. I sure hope the IBEW stands with the workers because the masses need a representative that can replace the IAM and fight for justice.

regards,

From tim nelson

Anyways, funny how US AIRWAYS attorney appeared to be hiding things by saying 'assets' were "airplanes, desks and stuff like that". I found that humorous but weak. OTOH, IAM's attorney makes the case to avoid definitions outside the agreement but I don't see that happening at all.

From this novice, but educated reader, I'd say the IAM presented a strong case.
regards,


MORE
If the west believes the IAM Bull #### that the east will give away any COC award in negotiations then you guys are believing a lie. I've talked to hundreds of EAST workers and I haven't run across one that even wants to think about negotiations until 2015 if an arbitration award is granted. I mean, from the east perspective, if you are owed $30,000 in back pay snapback damages and $26 and change in the year 2012, then you're going to be smoking cigars and have shiny hitches on the back of the truck and you will want to drag out the 2012 negotiations for another 4 years. The west better get in some 'real' leadership that doesn't sell you out or lie to you at every chance.

regards,

MORE

Remember, $439 million lotto ticket split between 10,000 workers.

regards,

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38599


JUST ONE OF THE THREADS WHERE TIM AND THE REST OF THE CREW WERE WRONG

THE LINK ABOVE IS THE ORGINAL THREAD , READ IT ALL ....

You are guilty of being wrong about the COC , you are guilty about the IBT , you are guilty about the IBEW ... on just about every occasion you have been WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

IF I WAS A BETTING MAN I'D DO WELL TO BET AGAINST YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FIN.
 
Merger Update: United makes move in IAD

You won't read this in the papers but United seems to indicate that IAD will lose mainline flights for more regional service.

FWIW: UA just picked up Air willy in IAD and instead of employing UA workers, they are recalling a significant amount of Air willy members from many stations.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Tim,
What you are trying to imply here is completely false. Lets just leave it at that, I dont want to argue. I just like reading post fights!!!
 
You are guilty of being wrong about the IAM , you are guilty about the IBT , you are guilty about the IBEW ... on just about every occasion you have been WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
IF I WAS A BETTING MAN I'D DO WELL TO BET AGAINST YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIN.

Your a one man band that can't play a lick but still believes he can become a recording artist...........
 
Freedom ur not typing...I thought you had it at your finger tips...............
 
Freedom ur not typing...I thought you had it at your finger tips...............

Where did you go?....I have to go to work, but you can post at will.........Maybe thats why you've left.......?
 
Freedom ur not typing...I thought you had it at your finger tips...............

I have quite a list , so let me start with red eye

Henderfuzzy,

I can see your reaction after winning the lottery:

"Holy crap, look at all the taxes I'm going to have to pay
!"

That was written on sep5th 2007

OK let’s start on tim , anyone remember the IBEW attempt ?
Gents and gals,

The link IBEW Q & A Cliff Notes is an objective look at the questions regarding fleet service issues: Pension, election process, IBEW info.

I think more informed discussion can follow once this additional information is presented.
Copy, post, & distribute it everywhere.

regards,

That was oct 11,2007



Pround to be philly said


what happened here tim? the people deserve to know. you guaranteed all of them that the ibt was not going to pull out. you GUARANTEED it.How is it possible for anybody to ever take what you have to say as the truth? i wonder how much of all the other "inside information" you put out is true? any of it? please. talk about blowing smoke. what happened to all of your facts and promises?
regards


Sep 27 2007


Down in the same thread tim said

Let's give the IAM credit for its political maneuvering to keep fleet service. My understanding is that the IBEW is still a 'go' and that union is the only one standing and hasn't been appeased by the IAM. I sure hope the IBEW stands with the workers because the masses need a representative that can replace the IAM and fight for justice.

regards,




From tim nelson


Anyways, funny how US AIRWAYS attorney appeared to be hiding things by saying 'assets' were "airplanes, desks and stuff like that". I found that humorous but weak. OTOH, IAM's attorney makes the case to avoid definitions outside the agreement but I don't see that happening at all.

From this novice, but educated reader, I'd say the IAM presented a strong case.
regards,


MORE


. If the west believes the IAM Bull #### that the east will give away any COC award in negotiations then you guys are believing a lie. I've talked to hundreds of EAST workers and I haven't run across one that even wants to think about negotiations until 2015 if an arbitration award is granted. I mean, from the east perspective, if you are owed $30,000 in back pay snapback damages and $26 and change in the year 2012, then you're going to be smoking cigars and have shiny hitches on the back of the truck and you will want to drag out the 2012 negotiations for another 4 years. The west better get in some 'real' leadership that doesn't sell you out or lie to you at every chance.


regards,

MORE
Remember, $439 million lotto ticket split between 10,000 workers.

regards,




http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38599

the link above is the orginal thread ....

FIN , btw mike your in it too , but i'm not wasting my time with you , feel free to look up what you said thou ....
 
Still haven't gotten my PM with name from JESTER yet?
 
FIN , btw mike your in it too , but i'm not wasting my time with you , feel free to look up what you said thou ....

Here let me post it for you.....


"Henderfuzz

Lets be realistic....I am sending am email to the arbitrator concerning my situation and about 15 other of my fellow furloughed employees....with an open mind, do you consider my circumstance a change in control acording to the tems of my CBA.

I am furlough and don't exercise my options b4 the 60 day rule.
I get Hired by America west b4 the merger.
The merger happens and I am now a Usairways employee again in my furloughed station.
Under the CBA, do I not work for the same company as when I was furloughed ?
IF YES THEN:

1. The Company should recognize my USAURWAYS seniority.
2. THERE SHOULD BE NO HIRING OFF THE STREET till all the furloughed employees have been offered recall in their station PERIOD.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Is that happening NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF NO THEN:
all of the above should have appllied a long time ago.........................


MY point is sometimes the simplest of events dictate the truth. All that lawyer garbage is just that...F them"

sunofsamsonite


OK whats the problem with that.....it's true and I didn't get a damn thing, but I will still evaluate all as it comes, and evaluate with good info....

No one thought of the BK stock as being of 0 value.........So Your Point Is ?????????
 
eh my only point mike is that your one of the furloughed guys .... that means your view is skewed on this debate ... like i've said and continue to say ... the furlough people don't matter , they are not a PART of this debate .... all you guys do is throw up smoke ... i don't BLAME you , but like i've also said , fleet doesnt CARE about it's furlouged people .... no one's going to fight for you , not if it will cost them one red cent ... that's just the kind of work group we are i guess.. so very telling ...

i could LIE to your face and say fleet will fight TOOTH and nail to bring you back .... but it's just not a poltical reality ... you guys need to accept that , win or lose this vote , the others won't do anything for you ...
 
eh my only point mike is that your one of the furloughed guys .... that means your view is skewed on this debate ... like i've said and continue to say ... the furlough people don't matter , they are not a PART of this debate .... all you guys do is throw up smoke ... i don't BLAME you , but like i've also said , fleet doesnt CARE about it's furlouged people .... no one's going to fight for you , not if it will cost them one red cent ... that's just the kind of work group we are i guess.. so very telling ...

i could LIE to your face and say fleet will fight TOOTH and nail to bring you back .... but it's just not a poltical reality ... you guys need to accept that , win or lose this vote , the others won't do anything for you ...

I am a Usairways employee under the TWU contract like you and thats that. The difference between us is you're about you and Im about us. Your way I get my seniority of 21 august 1974, and possibly furloughed again, with a whole new group of fellow workers, in a couple different scenarios. Believe you me if this UA merger happens than I don't get as hurt as most people I work with. I will not vote myself as a PAWN for this company. You will have a hard choice to make possibly in 2009/2010. Are you willing to make that choice? A lot of my fellow workers, I believe, are counting on me to have my vote be the right choice for their sake....enough said.......lets just get back on topic and give readers the right info..............
 
i could LIE to your face and say fleet will fight TOOTH and nail to bring you back .... but it's just not a poltical reality ... you guys need to accept that , win or lose this vote , the others won't do anything for you ...

Bring me back??? I'm already here........DuH!!!! I dont need a Ranter to help me out....especially one who touts by himself........Have someone you work with help you out on here and level the playing field GEEEEEEEZZZZZ....Louisezzzzzzzzzzzz!
 
Bring me back??? I'm already here........DuH!!!! I dont need a Ranter to help me out....especially one who touts by himself........Have someone you work with help you out on here and level the playing field GEEEEEEEZZZZZ....Louisezzzzzzzzzzzz!
your here under the TWU scale , but of course i'm sure you'd like to get back everything you had ... that's a given ....

notice on that information you should have banner you have with the link to tim's page

it says this about the TA

Cheat Sheet: When compared to the TA that was rejected in September, this TA loses 10 holidays and holiday pay [as contained in the rejected TA], full sick pay is lost and 12 sick day accrual is lost. Pension increase is lost, shift differ is lost, more restrictions on reduction in force.

i don't see anything about brining the 60 day guys back in that :shock: !!

you know on tim's BIG something or the other ... hmm i don't recall any passage about BRINING THE SIXTY DAY PEOPLE BACK :shock:

face it , we're not a true union ...
 
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