IAM Fleet Service topic

[mike33]

face it , we're not a true union ...

We are trying......it's a tough fight but we're 3/4 of the way there but you're falling further and further behind. A true union includes everyone and we will

wait for as long as it takes for you to catch up. Face it. We need you as much as you need us.....

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

eh my only point mike is that your one of the furloughed guys .... that means your view is skewed on this debate ... like i've said and continue to say ... the furlough people don't matter , they are not a PART of this debate .... all you guys do is throw up smoke ... i don't BLAME you , but like i've also said , fleet doesnt CARE about it's furlouged people .... no one's going to fight for you , not if it will cost them one red cent ... that's just the kind of work group we are i guess.. so very telling ...

i could LIE to your face and say fleet will fight TOOTH and nail to bring you back .... but it's just not a poltical reality ... you guys need to accept that , win or lose this vote , the others won't do anything for you ...

Who are “Weâ€￾? Maybe you should say AWA Fleet doesn’t care about those already laid off or the ones that will be thrown under the bus if this TA goes through.

We know what you care about.

I am saying No because of those people, I saying No for those 22 stations on the West coast. I am saying No because I am done accepting scrapes tossed my the master’s table.

The choice for me is easy; it is the choice we face every day in life. To choose between what is right and what is easy.

And I know I am not alone:

 

[freedom]

I think those of you in the east are going to make a serious mistake if you vote this down , I believe that the company will take advantage of you using your 60 day rule and clean house . I think they will hold you into your contract until 2010 …

I think we in the west will once again be dragged down with you into a continual cycle of nothingness … nothing ever getting done , no progress , just this company playing us one against the other for years on end ,you scream to us to vote this down with you in solidarity but you don‘t realize that we CANNOT do that because of our poverty .

Many of you think I and others like me are monsters for selling out our field stations , but given our options there’s little choice for us .. I also find it ironic that not one of you will accept the fact that while we are willing to sell out our field stations , you are just as eager to throw your young under the 60 day bus , a merger is coming , we all know there will be furloughs , but you refuse to address this fact .


I think voting yes would save the majority of us from a dreary and hopeless future , but alas the hope of united money has once again clouded your vision much the same way the COC did , and there appears to be nothing I can say or do to stop you from running over the cliff again …..

Good luck …. I gave it my best , no one can say I didn’t try .

 

[JoeDirt]

I think by this time most everybody has made up their minds on how they are going to vote. We have all been over the issues quite throughly. The most important thing we can do at this point is to take the time we have left and encourage everyone and I mean everyone to get out Thursday and exercise their right to be heard. Be it a yes or a no we need a large turnout. This is our future we are dealing with and it is too important to leave in the hands of others.

 

[P. REZ]

60 day rule,

I hadn't been focusing on the 60 day rule until the constant posts from the east and Freedom on the issue. My take is it looks on the surface as though it goes away on ratification, however, it is under article 7 which says it will transition on OEI. I do believe the east posters to be correct that the 60 day rule is in effect until December if this is ratified.

I do believe that if this is ratified and we merge with UA and the company furloughs anyone between now and December and they do not get recalled within 60 days, they go back to $9.00 an hour. Can anyone talk to anyone on the negotiation committee for clarification? Districtforce?


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[mike33]

60 day rule,

I hadn't been focusing on the 60 day rule until the constant posts from the east and Freedom on the issue. My take is it looks on the surface as though it goes away on ratification, however, it is under article 7 which says it will transition on OEI. I do believe the east posters to be correct that the 60 day rule is in effect until December if this is ratified.

I do believe that if this is ratified and we merge with UA and the company furloughs anyone between now and December and they do not get recalled within 60 days, they go back to $9.00 an hour. Can anyone talk to anyone on the negotiation committee for clarification? Districtforce?


Respectfully,

P. REZ

It's about time someone from PHX sees it for what it isn't. Thats how I read it Rez.....the lawyers or AH have backtracked it to confuse some, but not all

 

[JoeDirt]

P. REZ
I really don't think that the issue will be cleared up completely until after we vote. Like I said earlier there are a lot of gray areas in this T/A and it probably only be cleared up with a LOA.

 

[JoeDirt]

V
Is that a family reunion photo?

 

[orioleman]

P rez,
"I do believe that if this is ratified and we merge with UA and the company furloughs anyone between now and December and they do not get recalled within 60 days, they go back to $9.00 an hour. Can anyone talk to anyone on the negotiation committee for clarification? Districtforce?"

I have and you are absolutely correct . Unfortunately some of or should I say one of your colleagues doesn't understand or want

to understand . OOOOOOOOh well. such is life. Good luck to you guys out west and the rest of the system.

It's unfortunate that alot of people are going to find out the hard way just how wording in your contract can and will come back

to bite you in the arse. Prez I know you know from experience what I am talking about . been down these contracts amendments

to many times. and quite frankly am tired of "the play on words" . but some will just have to find out on there own . and then

scratch there heads and say . "what just happened here".

Good luck to everyone and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE get out and VOTE............

 

[JoeDirt]

Regardless of the outcome we are all in this together.

 

[roabilly]

I found these on the internet so they must be true……

http://www.rense.com/general81/pure.htm
Perhaps 60% Of Today's
Oil Price Is Pure Speculation
By F. William Engdahl
5-3-8

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It's controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today's crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1
The country's economic growth during January through March was the same as in the final three months of last year, the Commerce Department reported Wednesday. The statistic did not meet what economists consider the classic definition of a recession, which is a retraction of the economy. This means that although the economy is stuck in a rut, it is still managing to grow, even if modestly.

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzbush0...0,4502200.story
Bush: No recession, just 'very slow economy'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide
Buffett Says Credit Crisis Ebbs for Wall Street Firms

Excellent…â€Vâ€â€¦

I’ve said this before... ‘n I’ll say it again…

You can not negotiate long term agreements… based on the “here and nowâ€!

When you view a “snapshotâ€â€¦ relating to the current economic circumstances, especially in terms of aviation fuel cost… it appears dismal to the untrained eye.

One, only needs to follow what the financial experts are saying regarding Crude Oil. I know this will set Freedom off… and result in several bold typed counter posts…but…I’m gonna say it again… High Aviation Fuel Costs are temporary!

If you don’t believe me... read up on the matter…However…we may see $200.00 per barrel before the ultimate collapse of the bubble.

ROA… ain’t gonna be skeered intah committin’ himself, for many years tahh come on ahh substandard agreement…by ahh bunch ahh Corporate, and Union Fat Dawgs...linin’ their pockets off ahh this Fleet Group’s financial sacrifices!

Grow sum!

 

[giantfan]

Hey GF
I did another "survey" today and ran into an old friend of yours. He told me to ask you how is the fishing.

Hey Joe....sounds like you are the one fishing...lol.....however,

The SURVEYS SAYS...."X".....I don't fish, well that's not true I go with my son once in a blue moon....but I'm more of a football & baseball guy. Want to talk Giants & Yankees, then I'm your guy...

 

[JoeDirt]

Naw GF just doing what I do best. Talking. Put a lot of miles on the old dogs today. No fishing intended.

 

[giantfan]

Got some cutesy little fliers in some bins today.....I filed them appropriately.... 😀

 

[roabilly]

But seriously folks, CLT isn't going anywhere, right?

Yup...

They goin' to tha polls... tah Vote this POS down!