IAM Fleet Service topic

[orioleman]

The company wants you to vote for this because they want to keep our ( UA and US ) negotiations separated for as long as they can and not have to NEG all the contracts together in 09. Accept this TA and we will be the dividing line in the sand when a merger happens and we all will have to make a difficult choice when UA Negotiates their contract!!!!!! It will be Deja Vu or possible work action. Vote NO and walk together in negotiations with UA in 2009........

Which do you think is the stronger position to be in....????????

Transition employees to Amend Contracts ??

or

Amend Contracts and Transition Employees ??

BF sorry but you lost my vote for PRES . the new front line surfer out west is the old guy on the board. Mike33 for Pres.

 

[orioleman]

couldnt have said it any better! Thanks!

Goodfellow welcome to the board. Great flick , something Randy thinks he is but couldn't hold his jock strap.

 

[pjirish317]

GF,

I still do not see where the provision is for regularly scheduled work days, just days off.

 

[philly rocks]

Ok, let me set you all straight.

You vote yes to the TA on the table this week you are not up for negotiations for at least 4 years plus some. Remember, all the other groups are up the same time.

You vote yes to the TA andWe merge with UA (IAM), it will be the same sad story, they make what they make and we will be seperate until we are up for negotiations for at least 4 years plus some. Remember the LARGER groups are up the same time.

You vote yes to the TA and you are all in real POO POO.

Once again, if the COMPANY wants you to vote yes, that surely means you should all vote NO.

Plain and simple, you are all being set up by this TA. The companys' salvating for the big vote day. They all think you will buy their scheming plan. It will be an utter disaster waiting to happen.

Philly Rocks-

 

[rat tales]

Pj,

Sure no problem.......I have the tentative T/A in front of me....go to page 4 (of 11) at the bottom, last paragraph....

When you have your T/A in front of you, have your contract out to cross reference. Page 26 line 33:

Q. A weekly overtime qualifier will be used to determine
premium rates on days off. Days off are defined as
“regularly scheduledâ€￾ or “shift swap offâ€￾ days.

 

[giantfan]

Read your T/A

You are misleading people

Overtime - Article 6.Q will be modified as follows:

Modify 3. After the weekly overtime qualifier has been met, overtime will be paid at one and
one-half (1½) times the regular rate for the first eight (8) hours overtime worked and
two (2) times the regular rate for all overtime hours worked thereafter except as
provided for in items 4 and 5 below.


Article 6.Q modifies overtime on "days off only"

Anything over 16 hours on a work day remains at Time and 1/2

My intention is to not mislead pple....I reread it again, and I understand what you're saying but I still think my interpretation is right....

Otherwise why would that paragraph even be in there? The days off OT is already addressed on the next page.

Maybe I'm losing it....but I still think I'm right.....

 

[giantfan]

rat,

I have both my 05 contract in front of me and the new T/A.....

 

[orioleman]

something to make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,

I know the T/A PROTECTS the 18 class II cities until 2011 but what about ALL the other class II cities.

correct me if I am wrong but can't the company decide to reduce or close ALL the other class II cities that aren't listed.

I see a little smoke and mirrors going on here . Getting people thinking that they will protect certain cities but then

come in from the back door and kick to the curb the cities not protected.

 

[necigrad]

Especially when you consider that those 18 stations are all (or almost all) West stations that CANNOT BE OUTSOURCED under the TWU CBA

 

[orioleman]

My intention is to not mislead pple....I reread it again, and I understand what you're saying but I still think my interpretation is right....

Otherwise why would that paragraph even be in there? The days off OT is already addressed on the next page.

Maybe I'm losing it....but I still think I'm right.....

GF,
I wish you were right . trust me that would make my life a little easier . but unfortunately if the T/A doesn't specify that article

or paragraph then the language reverts back to our contract. Check with you AGC friend and see what he says.

 

[isthisok]

Not true dude....after 8 hours of time and a half (a double) anything after is doubletime regardless of what day of the week it is.....read bottom of page 4 of the new T/A.....

I stand corrected, however in my station overtime is not covered by a full 8 hour shift and I'm sure in most places it is rare to get extended hours. Remember that if you work the next day there has to be a 8 hour off duty gap between shifts. No matter what it should be 4 hrs time and one half and double time there after.

 

[rat tales]

rat,

I have both my 05 contract in front of me and the new T/A.....

6.P. refers to week days 6.Q. refers to days off. 6.Q. is the only section modified.

Read it learn it .... you are wrong!

 

[pjirish317]

GF,

Nowhere does it state after 16 hours worked on a regularly scheduled work day will doubletime be available. Ask your AGC. But for now we will just have to agree that we disagree.

 

[philly rocks]

Wait until they toss you a LOA for 4 day work week for full and part-timers. OOOOOH boy.....maximum amount of double time with 16 hours is 4 hours. In small stations , "schedule two days off" does not mean they have to give you 2 days off...been there with labor done that. If the TA is voted in, just watch how many grey areas come into play. It is amazing how the Company values the scope of the language.


VOTE NO IN PA, Your life depends on it.


PR

 

[giantfan]

6.P. refers to week days 6.Q. refers to days off. 6.Q. is the only section modified.

Read it learn it .... you are wrong!

rat,

I still think my interpretation is right...however, I may be wrong...I will ask around.

You don't have to be so angry.....chill out dude......