IAM Fleet Service topic

[freedom]

the CE0's we love???LOLOLOL you're the one slurping the DP koolaid you are unreal I am done with you you are a waste of everyones time with your distorted fantasies rest assured "brother" CLT ain't going anywhere

Ok , put me on ignore then ….


Seeing as you won’t even DISCUSS the possibility of people in your OWN STATION falling to the 60 day rule in the event of a MERGER ….

I guess t’s just not possible in your reality for that to happen .


Or you just don’t want to bring up that inconvenient fact because your so desperate for this to fail so that you may step over the corpses of your co workers and enjoy that steak and lobster….

Mmm I bet that steak and lobster will taste good too years from now , while your former co-workers are over for a beer telling you about how hard their lives are and how they miss the airlines , but because of the 60 day rule they can’t come back …

Will you give them a bit of steak to take home with them when they leave your house ?

I bet you would , your so generous ….

 

[orioleman]

freedom,
"I should just be quite and go lay down in front of the bus with the others…"


that would be quiet . as in SSSSSSSSSSSSSSShhhhhhh

and that would be great if you did that . your wasting bandwidth

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,


The following US East stations are NOT covered stations and would require you to leave under the UA contract:
PBI, PVD, BDL, RDU, MSY, DFW, JAX, MHT, CMH, IND, MIA.

It is true that United has its own employees working some of these stations but they are Public Contact people under the ticket counter scope. Any workers in these stations who are 'swept in' with a yes vote and have their voice silenced for a decade will be subject to being eliminated from their current non-covered station or starting 'day 1' under another contract. It's in the agreement.

The Big Picture

Click the link above, maximize to 100%, copy both sides, copy and distribute in your station so your workers can be informed of information related to United.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago


P rez , can you look at tim's statment here , something doesn't seem right about this , what are you thoughts on this ? something




My first thoughts without having any material in front of me is that during transition talks, if we merge with UA, these stations could be included in some form of a formula to outsource. They would possibly be in a situation like our west stations with this TA. I would have to get ahold of a UA contract and read their language for more of an opinion. District force has been on here saying he thinks 1700 jobs or more could be lost with a merger with UA, even with this POS TA. He is someone high up in the IAM according to most on this site. I believe that those stations should worry if we merge with UA.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[freedom]

Folks ,
Freedom has had 1 to many kool aids. Joe you talk about sluuuuuuuuring . this person has obviously blown

a fuse . and to think He accused Us easties of siting around on the boards all day. lets see 10 post in the last 1hr .

all of which makes no sense just utter babble I think it's his way of throwing a fit.


{so on and so forth }

freedom I believe it's nap time you seem a little cranky

Hey o man , rather than just saying I talk a lot , why don’t you try taking a swing at one of my thoughts ….
Go on , just TRY IT ….
your side is clutching at straws now…
Would you like to have a nice discussion with me about your 60 day rule ? We can do this right here , right now , I’ve got the time ..

 

[freedom]

Freedom,


The following US East stations are NOT covered stations and would require you to leave under the UA contract:
PBI, PVD, BDL, RDU, MSY, DFW, JAX, MHT, CMH, IND, MIA.

It is true that United has its own employees working some of these stations but they are Public Contact people under the ticket counter scope. Any workers in these stations who are 'swept in' with a yes vote and have their voice silenced for a decade will be subject to being eliminated from their current non-covered station or starting 'day 1' under another contract. It's in the agreement.

The Big Picture

Click the link above, maximize to 100%, copy both sides, copy and distribute in your station so your workers can be informed of information related to United.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago


P rez , can you look at tim's statment here , something doesn't seem right about this , what are you thoughts on this ? something




My first thoughts without having any material in front of me is that during transition talks, if we merge with UA, these stations could be included in some form of a formula to outsource. They would possibly be in a situation like our west stations with this TA. I would have to get ahold of a UA contract and read their language for more of an opinion. District force has been on here saying he thinks 1700 jobs or more could be lost with a merger with UA, even with this POS TA. He is someone high up in the IAM according to most on this site. I believe that those stations should worry if we merge with UA.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

well do you think there's anything in their current TA that could save them ?

 

[orioleman]

freedom,
"Seeing as you won’t even DISCUSS the possibility of people in your OWN STATION falling to the 60 day rule in the event of a MERGER …."

since when did you start worrying about your own people . I know you don't give a rats arse about class II and furloughs now

you seem worried about hubs. Listen junior we've been down this road before YOU haven't so quit trying to pretend you have

some experience in down sizing and bumping and furloughs . YOU have NO CLUE so keep making your ignorant statements and

false predictions about moving the west hub to PHX cause the wx sux in DEN and SFO . Dude got news for you . DEN and SFO have

been hubs longer than you have been alive . I don't think UA is to concerned about what city has the best wx to put a hub .

I can honestly say that is one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard .....

 

[orioleman]

freedom
I've discussed it with you too many times . the 60 day will come back and bite everyone in the arse that thinks

it will be there to save them .. Explain to me WHY the company added "PRIOR TO OEI" in this t/a VS the last one.

You see those three words basically make that article completely useless . because "AFTER OEI" the rule will not apply ..

HOW hard is that to figure out.....

 

[freedom]

freedom,
"Seeing as you won’t even DISCUSS the possibility of people in your OWN STATION falling to the 60 day rule in the event of a MERGER …."

since when did you start worrying about your own people . I know you don't give a rats arse about class II and furloughs now

you seem worried about hubs. Listen junior we've been down this road before YOU haven't so quit trying to pretend you have

some experience in down sizing and bumping and furloughs . YOU have NO CLUE so keep making your ignorant statements and

false predictions about moving the west hub to PHX cause the wx sux in DEN and SFO . Dude got news for you . DEN and SFO have

been hubs longer than you have been alive . I don't think UA is to concerned about what city has the best wx to put a hub .

I can honestly say that is one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard .....

hey o man , so your now saying CLT won't take ANY hit's and NONE of it's workers need to worry about the 60 day rule ?because i'm going to ASSUME that's what you mean ....

Ok all you CLT workers , i think OMAN is telling you not to worry and that your going to be FINE ... so if something DOESN'T go fine ,well then i guess he was wrong then....

Your right o-man , i've never been down this road before ... but i'll tell you what , i've learned alot over the years from listening to you folks on the east , and for years you've talkd with terror about that sixty day rule ... tell me O-man , in your many experinces with downsizing and moving to another HUB , did you persoally ever come back from the 60 day rule after being out for more than 60 days ?

Theres normal activity with being put on furlough and then there's the sixty day rule , and from what i've been able to gather , ours it the only MAJOR airline that has this , and it is NOT normal , nor is it a good thing for the people who fall to it , as i can tell from the way robbed again cries about it on here .

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,

well do you think there's anything in their current TA that could save them ?

No, I think the big merger is going to stomp all over a lot of people. Maybe even us.

Respectfully,


P. REZ

 

[freedom]

freedom
I've discussed it with you too many times . the 60 day will come back and bite everyone in the arse that thinks

it will be there to save them .. Explain to me WHY the company added "PRIOR TO OEI" in this t/a VS the last one.

You see those three words basically make that article completely useless . because "AFTER OEI" the rule will not apply ..

HOW hard is that to figure out.....

. Article 7 (Seniority) Integrated Seniority list will apply to all Employees no later than OEI.
Effective on Transition date amend CBA as follows:
· Effective on date of ratification, the 60 day rule will be eliminated for any furloughs that occur after that date.


What more do you want O=man a Letter of agreement ???

It’s cut and DRY!!!!


What part about

Effective on date of ratification

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

p.s , this is for you , in case you don't understand what the word eliminated means :

. (def) end something: to put an end to something, usually something undesirable
.

 

[doing it on my knees]

Does anybody really believe that CLT is going to be downsized or whatever the latest prediction is? I'm ready to transfer there and show these old timers how to toss some bags
But seriously folks, CLT isn't going anywhere, right?

 

[orioleman]

freedom,
"Theres normal activity with being put on furlough and then there's the sixty day rule , and from what i've been able to gather , ours it the only MAJOR airline that has this , and it is NOT normal , nor is it a good thing for the people who fall to it , as i can tell from the way robbed again cries about it on here ."

been furloughed worked in 4 citys. so don't go down that road son. YOU have no idea what your talking about . will clt be hit

H*ll I don't know . but since UA has been courting US for 10 yrs trying to get a SE (that would be southeast ) HUB . to compete with

DL and has been wanting to lotion up to get in the carribean (sp) market . I highly doubt CLT will be downsized . but then again who

knows. As far as the 60 day rule goes. for the 10th time. IF you get layed off in 6 months and are on furlough for 6 months

and then come back . YOUR first check your going to say WTF WHY am I making 9.00 an hour . I have 5 years with the company

WTF happened. "well mr freedom if you read your contract that language applied to you "PRIOR TO OEI" ." well what does that me

well sir your screwed.

and lastly . 1. quite taking other posters post and twisting it out of context and making things up 2. You obviously don't understand

contract language and how it will be applied so be man enough to just let it go. because like I said before you suck at politics .

and you trying to spin things is laughable.

 

[WHISPERJETT]

Does anybody really believe that CLT is going to be downsized or whatever the latest prediction is? I'm ready to transfer there and show these old timers how to toss some bags
But seriously folks, CLT isn't going anywhere, right?

Hey Knees,if CLT goes,we all need to be looking for jobs...according to analyst ...CLT is a crown jewel in a UA merger....Freedom needs to worry about his own job and station...my locker has more time....

 

[orioleman]

Does anybody really believe that CLT is going to be downsized or whatever the latest prediction is? I'm ready to transfer there and show these old timers how to toss some bags
But seriously folks, CLT isn't going anywhere, right?

Doing it ,
If you listen to an out of control frustrated PHX worker then YES clt will be gone.

but since I work there .. let me shed some light . 35 upgrades and hiring through the end of jun .

what does that tell ya.

and freedom before you try and twist that . Usually prior to a merger the airlines do what is called a HIRING FREEZE.

doesn't seem to be the case this time around . at least not in the SE(southeast) ..So doing it . bring it on . hope you like some

good down hope BBQ . Roa has the inside track .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim , what are you saying here ? that if they vote yes they will get outsourced? and if they vote no they won't get outsourced? wow show me in their current contract what's there that will PROTECT them that will NOT protect them with the new TA...

PVD brothers and sisters , pay attention to this .

Freedom, this is information directly from the UA contract, not a threat.
Those stations I mentioned: MIA, MHT, IND, CMH, PVD, BDL, RDU, MSY, PBI, DFW, JAX are not covered in the UA ramp contract. They are covered under the PCE ticket counter contract since the ticket counter people do work the ramp at many of these stations. Throw in about 20 west stations also BTW.

A yes vote eliminates a voice for the next decade; strips the west scope; and strips the east CIC. There is no hope with a yes vote. Please show me the protections for these stations?

OTOH, a No vote keeps the CIC and keeps the west scope. It forces US and/or UA to look our way.

The west scope speaks for itself but I admit I do get annoyed at your ramblings that Hemenway just wants the CIC out to 'clean up the contract' and your other ramblings saying it is worthless. I think your statements are very telling of your positon.

Let us not forget, that in a losing cause, the CIC STILL NETTED THE FOLLOWING:
10 holidays, holiday pay on all hourse, full sick pay, pension increase, shift differ.
Again, Freedom, that was in a LOSING CAUSE.

Fast forward with me now one more time. Hemenway has now 'flipped like a pancake' as the company attorneys have told him that the CIC is a 'must have'. This is a flip flop, as with the America West merger, Hemeneway was told not to bother and leave it in.

It's called negotiations and puts us at the table where real negotiators can negotiate a softer landing for these Non covered stations. I mentioned grandfather rights a month ago but there are other solutions. At any rate, therin lies the hope that a Yes vote can not come close to.

The Big Picture
Copy for your station

Regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago