US Pilot Labor Thread--ALL Pilot/Union Issues Discussed Here

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I have little doubt that ultimately the Vast majority of the West will join USAPA. Don't get too excited however, an "en masse" joining plan is already being organized. Understand that the 1750 new union "brothers and sisters" won't be here to be "good union pilots", they'll vote/act in lockstep to frustrate, or otherwise impede any forward movement under your dictatorship. Not unlike a virus who invades the body and ultimately kills it.

The worse thing for USAPA and it's actual goals is 100% West membership. I'm sure Bradford et.al. would much prefer a mix of objectors and the terminated. After all, the goal is to claim jobs from someone else as half of yours are rotting out in the mojave.

If you think the West has been a problem for you now, just wait. You haven't seen anything yet.

Not likely. In fact, your leash just got a lot shorter...I guess you haven't figured that out yet, you will.

If your post is any indication of the west mentality, USAPA will take your required dues monies, and you will lose all status as members anyway, based on your behaviors as members, just like ALPA was...no different.

Your choice.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I presume the court will forward your complaints/class actions/etc to the NMB then, right?

After all, the NMB has jurisdiction over all NMB sanctioned unions and their "litigation"...no?

Actually, not right and no in that order.

Jim

 

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Actually, not right and no in that order.

Jim

Do elaborate.

 

[BoeingBoy]

How's that MDA suit going....it's at the NMB, right???

Jim

 

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Actually, I have no knowledge of any MDA lawsuit, thank you. And I have found my answer...indeed, west pilots may sue USAPA in public courts under the RLA..the venue does not change, but their status surely will as a result.

Academic, in this case.

"I will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit my name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to the Association."

(well, there's half a dozen "new members" in violation, right there.)

I recall some PHX rag a few weeks ago with some west pilots shouting from the mountaintop....

oh well.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually, I have no knowledge of any MDA lawsuit, thank you.

Hmmmm....where could you have been all this time. The suit against ALPA was filed by the MDA pilots in 2005 (I think - may have been in late 2004). Of course, at that time ALPA was the NMB recognized CBA (and was till earlier this year). Since the suit has been working it's way through the court, it's obvious that pilots can seek a judicial ruling against their recognized CBA.

the venue does not change, but their status surely will as a result.

A nice ambiguous term - status. Change how? From member to non-member? Employed to unemployed? Capt to FO? Whatever, if at USAPA's hands because of a suit it just becomes something else to bring suit over (or add to the existing suit).

Jim

 

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Hmmmm....where could you have been all this time. The suit against ALPA was filed by the MDA pilots in 2005 (I think - may have been in late 2004). Of course, at that time ALPA was the NMB recognized CBA (and was till earlier this year). Since the suit has been working it's way through the court, it's obvious that pilots can seek a judicial ruling against their recognized CBA.



A nice ambiguous term - status. Change how? From member to non-member? Employed to unemployed? Capt to FO? Whatever, if at USAPA's hands because of a suit it just becomes something else to bring suit over (or add to the existing suit).

Jim

Thanks, Jim, but I already acknowledged that I was incorrect. And I do know that you love to argue all night over semantics...not with me, however.

Yes. The answer to your question is yes. Employed to unemployed, if appropriate.

You make rather heady assumptions about the outcome of said litigations....unwise.

The "newest of new" members of USAPA have a set of standards of which they must uphold to remain members, in the event that they fold and go the way that Metroyet suggests, we will take their money, they will be fired if necessary, and/or they will lose the right to vote....all based on their behaviors going forward.

You, as usual, will watch from the sidelines.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You make rather heady assumptions about the outcome of said litigations....unwise.

I don't recall making any assumptions about the outcome of any suit, just that if USAPA changed someone's "status" because of a lawsuit said person pursued, the change of status could become more fodder for a suit.

Jim

ps - call it semantics, but clear communication helps rather than hurts the discussion (and I'll be the first to say I'm not always clear).

 

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And to that I would say that Mr. Metroyet has already laid the groundwork for pre-meditated interference in union business...maybe he'll be the first to go.

Who cares?

I certainly don't....based on his posts today, do you?

Have a great night, Jim.

"Understand that the 1750 new union "brothers and sisters" won't be here to be "good union pilots", they'll vote/act in lockstep to frustrate, or otherwise impede any forward movement under your dictatorship."

any questions?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Have a great night, Jim.

Every night is a great night, hope you have a good one.

Jim

 

[Metroyet]

in the event that they fold and go the way that Metroyet suggests, we will take their money, they will be fired if necessary, and/or they will lose the right to vote....all based on their behaviors going forward.

Hey!! What kind of Welcome is this? Not very nice from a fellow "good union pilot". My union will protect me from guys like you. That and the NMB,RLA, and if that doesn't work, I'll hire Seham to sue anybody that tries to impinge upon my rights as a Union member in good standing. I have vast protections in my new C&BLs and I intend to "use" them to the nines.

I think I'll run as a Rep. and show you first hand what a good union pilot can do.

I bet i get elected by a landslide.

Fraternally yours,

Metro.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I think I'll run as a Rep. and show you first hand what a good union pilot can do.

Not sure you wanna do that as it'd make you subject to the ethics code, while a member, agency fee payer, or even non-payer while on the property can say pretty much anything they want.

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

Do elaborate.

Oh joy, here comes the spam.

 

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Hey!! What kind of Welcome is this? Not very nice from a fellow "good union pilot". My union will protect me from guys like you. That and the NMB,RLA, and if that doesn't work, I'll hire Seham to sue anybody that tries to impinge upon my rights as a Union member in good standing. I have vast protections in my new C&BLs and I intend to "use" them to the nines.

I think I'll run as a Rep. and show you first hand what a good union pilot can do.

I bet i get elected by a landslide.

Fraternally yours,

Metro.

Please do...run for office...

Our dear friend Jim is wrong...(he's having another ALPA episode)...USAPA will not stand idly by while you blast away at them as a "generic" union member.

Recall, you said "we didn't need your dues..."

You're right, we don't, so you will get fired for non-payment. You are not as safe as Jim suggests.

And, for those who think simply paying and acting any way you want (Metroyet) will work...you will very quickly find yourselves losing your rights as members...just like every other union in the world.

(Personally, I hope it goes exactly as he suggests...)

 

[ableoneable]

Please do...run for office...

Our dear friend Jim is wrong...(he's having another ALPA episode)...USAPA will not stand idly by while you blast away at them as a "generic" union member.

Recall, you said "we didn't need your dues..."

You're right, we don't, so you will get fired for non-payment. You are not as safe as Jim suggests.

And, for those who think simply paying and acting any way you want (Metroyet) will work...you will very quickly find yourselves losing your rights as members...just like every other union in the world.

(Personally, I hope it goes exactly as he suggests...)

I am becoming confused. Are we discussing USAPA or the Gestapo?

The retributive threats and snide warnings come right out of the G toolbox.

I think I will not be joining.

As far as the "we can fine you if you step out of line" crap coming out of the outraged FO club, good luck with that.

Assessments are one thing, administrative policy fines quite another.