US Pilots Labor Discussion 1/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[luvthe9]

Quiz time. How many of the defendants were named for making calls to the hotline? How would you or you spouse like it if you were sued for millions of dollars for you board venting?

I love it, the cactus 18 are in deep do-do and they know it. Word is they are going to negotiate with USAPA for fear of the consequences. And you Pi-Brat seem to like talking out of both sides of your mouth, I bet you have your fingers crossed behind your back that we get our money back.

 

[cleardirect]

Hey Clear, have you figured out who had the better contract all those years? It certainly wasn't you guys. I know one thing, you are the one who is twisting the facts. The second thing is this- if we win on this one, you guys will never get a Yes vote. Take your snapshot of a few years and make it what you always want it to be, we were failing, Blah Blah Blah, therefore, I get to take everything...... If we get this thing, it is over for you as far as a joint contract...............

Really!

What facts am I twisting? The fact that USAPA said it was $9.3 billion. The fact that it was stated by USAPA that it was 7 years. That there were approximately 3500 or so east pilots on the list at the time.

Is my math incorrect that according to USAPA’s own facts it is not $380,000 per pilot?

 

[Crzipilot]

Well without going back through all the updates, and asks from the company etc, during the bk's........those numbers sounded about right. One little piece your missing, is the 400mil/year of LOA 85 included the pension. Hence that was more than just the active pilots. Also if you look through the LOA's, there were more than monetary give backs, but both sides had to put a value on those, hence where the value's got stated. So uhm...not sure what your point is???

Let me add....those numbers probably jive with what the company said the contractural items were worth. I.E. We need X amount of $$$$ in concessions. You agree to this, we call it X amount of $$$$.

 

[ableoneable]

To: All Pilots
RE: Crew Reductions

Last November, the Company announced that, based on projected operational needs, approximately thirty-five (35) West and one hundred sixty-five (165) East pilots would have to be furloughed. The reductions were slated to occur (over time) beginning in early 2010, and the Company indicated that more information on exact staffing and timelines would be made available once we had a more definite 2010 schedule.

Since the original pilot reduction announcements, the Company has been able to add block hours to the 2010 schedule and adjusted planned attrition assumptions to provide improved crew staffing in general. In addition, the delayed Airbus deliveries will necessitate a period of increased training.
As a result of these changes, we are pleased to report that West pilot reductions have been lowered from the thirty-five (35) and we already have enough EVLAs so there will be zero involuntary furloughs on the West.

On the East side of the operation, the new analysis lowered the planned pilot reductions from one hundred sixty-five (165) we had previously projected to fifty (50). We also can report that we have received eleven (11) East EVLA applications for the April bid, which once awarded should offset the reductions at East to thirty-nine (39). For the May bid, which will close on or about March 1, we plan to again offer EVLA; and, consistent with the terms of LOA 93, we will also offer Early Retirement in Lieu of Furlough (ER) in an effort to offset the need for involuntary East pilot reductions. We are hopeful that these voluntary programs will generate sufficient interest that we will also have no involuntary furloughs on the East. If we do not receive enough volunteers, we will work with USAPA in an effort to reach a solution with zero involuntary furloughs.

Captain Ed Bular
Senior Vice President
Flight Operations/InFlight

 

[Black Swan]

Only 6 or 8 of the named 24 defendants are accused of making phone calls, and of those 1 or 2 made as few as 10 calls total over a few day period.

Many of the remaining defendants do not need an excuse, because they are innocent of the charges against them. What they need is an ambulance chasing lawyer, willing to work for a piece of the award. If they find 1 or as many as a dozen or so, and file in each innocent party's home state, usapa is DONE.

OK, I really have not read it. I would agree to let the ones who did not actually make the calls go off. The ones who blocked the Safety Hotline are the ones to go for. If they made blocking or harassing calls to the Safety Hotline, and it can be proved- then admit you did it and get off the hook. If you blocked the Safety Hotline, will not apologize, then you pay the price.

 

[Crzipilot]

to add a bit of good news, anyone see, the message of no west furloughs, and east down to 39??? With some more EVLA and/or ER to be granted on the east side?


Whoops, guess someone did...

 

[Black Swan]

OK, I really have not read it. I would agree to let the ones who did not actually make the calls go off. The ones who blocked the Safety Hotline are the ones to go for. If they made blocking or harassing calls to the Safety Hotline, and it can be proved- then admit you did it and get off the hook. If you blocked the Safety Hotline, will not apologize, then you pay the price.

PI Brat- would you go with this?

 

[cubfan]

WOW!

You guys really were the highest paid pilots in the industry. So according to the USAPA lawyer arguing the LOA 93 snap back you guys gave up $380,000.00 per pilot per year. But you are still making what you make now, so that means you all were making somewhere around $530,000 prior to 2001. I think I found the reason why US Airways went bankrupt twice in very short order.

So following the logic by the USAPA attorney the east pilots gave up $9.3 Billion of 7 years.

Quick math will tell us that ALL IN ALL, these three concessionary agreements total approximately $1 billion (dollars) PER YEAR for a period of 7 years, or the life of Company’s ATSB loan. The only problem was that the prior concessionary LOAs weren’t enough. $7 BILLION (dollars) wasn’t enough.
The pilots of US Airways have given nearly $9.3 BILLION (dollars)

If you have 3500 pilots on the list at the time that would be $2.65 million per pilot. Over 7 years that comes out to $380,000 per year. Ladies and gentlemen it is really hard to make your case to an arbitrator when the first thing out of the lawyer’s mouth are facts that cannot be reconciled with reality. How is it the east pilots gave up that much money if you were not making anywhere near than much. Something is wrong with the math.

Besides taken at face value if a company cannot survive at taking a $9.3 billion cost savings just from the pilot let alone the other labor groups plus the other bankruptcy savings. That is a company that deserves to die. Now tell me again how US Airways was going to be in business without the merger?

Same math that parker uses when he claims to only make 4 or 500,000 per year. I can tell you my loss over 7 years was around 400,000 on w2 dollars only. I'm just one lonely rsv f/o. :angry:

 

[nycbusdriver]

Sorry I triggered the phone tree....

You got THAT right!

 

[Pi brat]

PI Brat- would you go with this?

Absolutely, and I have a feeling the defendants would have gone for it if they had been offered in the first place, but I can't speak for them.

 

[Pi brat]

[quote name='luvthe9' date='Feb 2 2010, 02:14 PM' post='728598
I love it, the cactus 18 are in deep do-do and they know it. Word is they are going to negotiate with USAPA for fear of the consequences. And you Pi-Brat seem to like talking out of both sides of your mouth, I bet you have your fingers crossed behind your back that we get our money back.
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Not really, I'd like to see the individuals responsible for pursuing this pay dearly and be removed form office.

 

[Pi brat]

I know, it is a hard lesson to learn. No all is lost, it will build some character though.




inverted

Pretty much what I thought, you really don't know anything about it, do you? That generosity may be repaid to you one day.

 

[luvthe9]

You must be one of the ALPO boys we threw out and want to get back in with that attitude, right. Looks like USAPA saved alot of west jobs with the latest announcement. Great job guys!!!!

 

[CallawayGolf]

Looks like USAPA saved alot of west jobs with the latest announcement. Great job guys!!!!

LOL
I see a letter from Ed Bular representing the company announcing how the company has increased block times and they have taken specific actions that have increased hours so as to mitigate the prior announced furloughs. I also see the company reaching out to USAPA to try to make the involuntary east furloughs to be zero as well. I see nothing that USAPA did to make this happen. Perhaps you can provide the details on how USAPA negotiated with management to accomplish this "great job". Absent those specifics, any accolades to USAPA are entirely misplaced.

 

[Black Swan]

Absolutely, and I have a feeling the defendants would have gone for it if they had been offered in the first place, but I can't speak for them.

I would like to know what really happened. I am saying I really do not know much with regard to this whole thing. Like I said, the most serious issue with me, would be the screwing around with the Safety Hotline. I really don't care for the other things I have been told happened, but I cannot see going to court on it. I am going to contact my reps, and try and get some understanding as to what really transpired.