THE IAM BOYS AND GIRLS DO NOT SAY MUCH ANY MORE.

[AIRWOMAN]

Merger issues/changes.........no previous "classification" because non union pre merger and union post merger......how will that work? Previous union with "classification", time as non union and now back in the union post merger.........how will that work??

 

[700UW]

If a current classification on the west is non-union and its countepart on the east is union the west person's classification would fall under when they started in that job.

 

[jetmech01890]

If they upgrade to mechanic they have to have thier tickets, and when you first started as a mechanic you did not know every job on every airplane.


yes I did, yes I do thats why I consider my self a professional and I have seen the upgrades bump mechanics that were trust worthy and excellent mechanics and have the same upgrades spending the whole night replacing a main tire and a brake assy and not even working the rest of the aircraft so you help them then when your deep in your own A/c some night and could use a hand you find them in a corner checking their eyelids for cracks but thats the difference between upgrades and true mechanics

 

[700UW]

An upgrade is junior they cannot bump a senior mechanic, you are quite mistaken.

An upgrade and a true mechanic?

I did not know they FAA give an upgrade a different AMT license then an existing AMT? (note sarcasm)

When a person first starts in the job of course they will not be as knowledgeable. Just like when US first got the Airbus, it was different then a Boeing.

Quit while you are behind.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

If a current classification on the west is non-union and its countepart on the east is union the west person's classification would fall under when they started in that job.

Before we go any further........please provide the union definition of classification.

 

[700UW]

Do you not know what a classification is?

It is a job, ie mechanic, stock clerk, planner, etc....

 

[fanlube]

How can you people be so confused?

First the NMB would love to screw the boys at a good union like the IAM with fools like the brotherHOOD. If you had the cards they would have started the screwing by now. Their----STILL WAITING!

Second stock clerks at us have been part of class and craft for over 50 years. a stock clerk could upgrade to mechanic and if laid off go back to clerk. again 50 years of history prove it.

Last the peeps at us aren't interested in a union that buries it's beloved yep we elected him leader in a place like the meadowlands. Poor taste at best. Prime example of your union at it's worst.

Yeah and they ain't interested in being represented by a union that worked with management to bust rival unions either. Scabbing at Northwest ring a bell!! You tell us all whats good about the IAM, as has been stated before the IAM did nothing during BK the COMPANY allowed the work we have now to remain in place!! The only thing the IAM can do is use scare tactics because their own track record is to dismal to actually show people why they should remain in place!

 

[Bob Owens]

Do you not know what a classification is?

It is a job, ie mechanic, stock clerk, planner, etc....

Thats right and the NMB determines classification, not your contract. Just because the IAM at USAIR had them in the same group it does not mean that the NMB will determine they are the same class and craft.

Over at AA they are not in the same class and craft even though many of them went with the mechanics into seperate Locals, but cabin cleaners and the guys who service the lavs are. At AA those jobs fall under the FSC classification but under the NMB they fall under the Mechanics class. It didnt matter what our contract said. At AA those jobs are bid along with any other FSC job, (International bag room, domestic bag room, cargo, loading the aircraft etc). So in order for the mechanics to get a vote for a new union the NMB included 3000 workers who may or may not be doing that job after the next bid.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Do you not know what a classification is?

It is a job, ie mechanic, stock clerk, planner, etc....

Of course I do but I was curious whether or not the union had a different definition. :unsure: Like "raiding." 😉

Again, union stuff aside........since the merger, there are different issues/changes.........there are employees with no previous "classification" because they are non union (pre merger) and may be union post merger......how will that work? For example, an employee starts out in the interior shop (job/classification #1) and obtains an A&P license, transfers to the floor (job/classification #2), takes a pre merger non union position (job/classification #3), years later, the merger happens. Now the pre merger position (#3) becomes a union position. What does this employees date in classification look like?? How about a MX Programs job/classification to a Tech Writer job/classification to a MX Trainer?? Pre merger, all non union.......how will that wash out with a date?? How about a previous union position (#1)with "classification", time as non union (#2 no classification) and now back the union post merger.........how will that work??

 

[jetmech01890]

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An upgrade is junior they cannot bump a senior mechanic, you are quite mistaken.

An upgrade and a true mechanic?

I did not know they FAA give an upgrade a different AMT license then an existing AMT? (note sarcasm)

When a person first starts in the job of course they will not be as knowledgeable. Just like when US first got the Airbus, it was different then a Boeing.

Quit while you are behind.

when did I say that they bumped a senior mechanic checked the post,did I say that they had a diffrent ticket check the post, all implied that they were not team players becuse they have rode the system all these years(senority), again you put words in someones mouth and try to bend things next you will blame managment at the station, stay within in your own little world read your contract evey night before you go to bed , and leave the wrench turning to the mechanics,

 

[700UW]

Like taking candy from a baby:

Post#33

If they upgrade to mechanic they have to have thier tickets, and when you first started as a mechanic you did not know every job on every airplane.
yes I did, yes I do thats why I consider my self a professional and I have seen the upgrades bump mechanics that were trust worthy and excellent mechanics and have the same upgrades spending the whole night replacing a main tire and a brake assy and not even working the rest of the aircraft so you help them then when your deep in your own A/c some night and could use a hand you find them in a corner checking their eyelids for cracks but thats the difference between upgrades and true mechanics

Maybe you need to take your own advice, it is your own words, not mine!

 

[jetmech01890]

you need to read the posts properly and comprehend them
you did graduate collage so you say

like I said stay within your own little world read your contract before you go to bed and someday you might have a clue what goes on in other stations

 

[700UW]

Your post quite cleary states junior mechanics bump trusthworthy and excellent ones, it they are junior they would not be able to bump someone senior.

Maybe you need to change your choice of words or detail what you actually mean and its intent.

 

[jetmech01890]

when did I say they were junior, I said they were up grades rember its all DOH or to into a new classification
do you under stand or do you need pictures

 

[700UW]

An upgrade means they are junior and new, not a senior mechanic.

Maybe you need to learn to read your IAM/US CBA, it is not DOH when you entire a new classification, you get a classification date, which is the first day you start in the new classification.

The classification date is used for bidding shift, location and RDOs.

There are people that have DOH, for travel, utility and/or stores dates and a mechanic classification date.

Your Utility nor Stores classification dates do not carryover if you upgrade to mechanic, never has been done.

How long have you worked in Maintenance and you don't even know that?

Maybe you need to sit down and read your contract, it seems I know it and you clearly don't.

Or do I need to give you lessons since you don't know how seniority, upgrades and classification dates work?