THE IAM BOYS AND GIRLS DO NOT SAY MUCH ANY MORE.

[jetmech01890]

again you dont seem to understand whats goes on outside your patrs room genius like I said they were grades bumping more compentent mechanics everything else in these past posts were implied and put in by you and I have been a mechanic for quite some time now and no I dont read that dribble in the contract as the whole thing is useless its my opionion just as you are entitled to yours like I said come to other stations and see the real world and how it operates we all dont work in the fantasy world of CLT

 

[700UW]

I have worked in other stations besides CLT.

You need to read the contract as you are posting things that is not correct.

Like I said Classification date is used for bidding shifts, days off, locations and bid areas, not DOH.

What is a grade bumping?
No such thing.

Contracts are not opinions it is what we work by and what governs everything, take the time to learn, then maybe you will post factual information.

 

[jetmech01890]

I have worked in other stations besides CLT.

You need to read the contract as you are posting things that is not correct.

Like I said Classification date is used for bidding shifts, days off, locations and bid areas, not DOH.

What is a grade bumping?
No such thing.

Contracts are not opinions it is what we work by and what governs everything, take the time to learn, then maybe you will post factual information.

oh really genius DOH right like I said I have seen upgrades with a date of hire displace more compentent mechanics seems you dont understand genius , you as far as contracts its extortion by the IAM (less money more dues) and like I said come out your fantasy world from behind your window /counter and see the world as it works outside CLT and the dribble you refer to as a contract means nothing to me how many times has it changed?its not worth the paper its written on the only thing that keeps my butt covered on a nightly basis is my knowledge and abilty and dedication to to the public, flt crews, someday you might fly on a aircraft I worked on, mull that one over and twist it around and insult me maybe some day when you sign a log book for something other than a utiliy job you used to do you will understand what it means to be a mechanic

 

[700UW]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

Date of hire is not the same as classification date.

A mechanic can have 20 years with the company but only 5 years mechanic time. The 20 years is not used for bidding shifts, locations and RDOs, only the 5 years in which he was a mechanic.

Is it too hard for you to understand that DOH and classification dates are not the same?

DOH is when a person started with the company, classification date is the date the person started in a particular job, ie utility, stores, mechanic, etc... Each date is separate and have nothing to do with each other.

DOH of hire is not used to displace anyone, it does not work that way at US/East and never has, it is Classification date, so a junior mechanic who has more company time then a senior mechanic the junior mechanic who has more company time cannot bump or displace someone who has more mechanic time.

You seriously need to read your contract because what you stated has never happened.

You have no idea of what you post.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

Date of hire is not the same as classification date.

A mechanic can have 20 years with the company but only 5 years mechanic time. The 20 years is not used for bidding shifts, locations and RDOs, only the 5 years in which he was a mechanic.

Is it too hard for you to understand that DOH and classification dates are not the same?

DOH is when a person started with the company, classification date is the date the person started in a particular job, ie utility, stores, mechanic, etc... Each date is separate and have nothing to do with each other.

DOH of hire is not used to displace anyone, it does not work that way at US/East and never has, it is Classification date, so a junior mechanic who has more company time then a senior mechanic the junior mechanic who has more company time cannot bump or displace someone who has more mechanic time.

You seriously need to read your contract because what you stated has never happened.

You have no idea of what you post.

I'll ask again.......................

Again, union stuff aside........since the merger, there are different issues/changes.........there are employees with no previous "classification" because they are non union (pre merger) and may be union post merger......how will that work? For example, an employee starts out in the interior shop (job/classification #1) and obtains an A&P license, transfers to the floor (job/classification #2), takes a pre merger non union position (job/classification #3), years later, the merger happens. Now the pre merger position (#3) becomes a union position. What does this employees date in classification look like?? How about a MX Programs job/classification to a Tech Writer job/classification to a MX Trainer?? Pre merger, all non union.......how will that wash out with a date?? How about a previous union position (#1)with "classification", time as non union (#2 no classification) and now back the union post merger.........how will that work??

 

[700UW]

It all depends on the transition negotiations.

Classification dates would be the date you started that job.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

It all depends on the transition negotiations.

Classification dates would be the date you started that job.

Then negotiations will be long since no west employee should be penalized even more than they're getting now...........and even the VP of Labor Relations couldn't answer when asked.

This classification date and it's priority you've placed on it, isn't how the west has worked those issues in the past.

 

[jetmech01890]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

Date of hire is not the same as classification date.

A mechanic can have 20 years with the company but only 5 years mechanic time. The 20 years is not used for bidding shifts, locations and RDOs, only the 5 years in which he was a mechanic.

Is it too hard for you to understand that DOH and classification dates are not the same?

DOH is when a person started with the company, classification date is the date the person started in a particular job, ie utility, stores, mechanic, etc... Each date is separate and have nothing to do with each other.

DOH of hire is not used to displace anyone, it does not work that way at US/East and never has, it is Classification date, so a junior mechanic who has more company time then a senior mechanic the junior mechanic who has more company time cannot bump or displace someone who has more mechanic time.

You seriously need to read your contract because what you stated has never happened.

You have no idea of what you post.

when did I say junior/senior mechanic a upgrade mechanic
with a date of hire as a mechanic has displaced a more compentant mechanic thats all I said sunshine. since you cant understand that you are not worth the key strokes to explain it any more like I said in my other post I have seen upgrades that dont even know how to sump a fuel tank they should have stayed in their previous classification never happened huh

 

[700UW]

oh really genius DOH right like I said I have seen upgrades with a date of hire displace more compentent mechanics

DOH, is not always classification seniority, told you this numerous times.

If a mechanic is senior classification date then he is able to displace.

Seems do me you have DOH and Classification Date mixed up.

You will never get is so I won't waste my time anymore.

If a mechanic on the line cant do his/her job then it is management's responsibility to take care of the situation.

 

[hopeful13]

DOH, is not always classification seniority, told you this numerous times.

If a mechanic is senior classification date then he is able to displace.

Seems do me you have DOH and Classification Date mixed up.

You will never get is so I won't waste my time anymore.

If a mechanic on the line cant do his/her job then it is management's responsibility to take care of the situation.

Hey 700UW

I'm not a mechanic or IAM but even I understand your
explanations of classification/DOH. Some folks just
want to argue instead of reading and learning something
that will be very important to their futures.

Good Luck 🙄

 

[700AW]

Genius, I even understand what Jet is inferring, most under a mecahnic contract start under that contract, few ever come in from non mech contracts, so if you started originally as a ute, went to school and got your license, then you could upgrade and knock down a more experienced tech with a lower DOH..

I bet the amount of the upgrades that come into an A&P position is relatively low compared to the tranfers from other areas....

 

[700UW]

No they can't under IAM/US CBA.

When a utility or stores upgrade to mechanic their utility or stores times does not become their mechanic time.

How many times do I have to explain this?

Their mechanic seniority does not start until the day they punch in as a mechanic.

DOH is not the same as classifiction date, how hard is that to understand?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

No they can't under IAM/US CBA.

When a utility or stores upgrade to mechanic their utility or stores times does not become their mechanic time.

How many times do I have to explain this?

Their mechanic seniority does not start until the day they punch in as a mechanic.

DOH is not the same as classifiction date, how hard is that to understand?

700UW.......you have to realize that things don't and haven't worked the same way on the east as they have on the west. The east way is not the only way.......that's just what you've been a part of. But there are other ways...........that's a fact. That's why I asked what I asked earlier. And even Al H. didn't know how both sides were going to work out the "classification" issues.

 

[700UW]

Airwoman,

I am addressing Jetmech, who is an east mechanic, not a west.

I clearly stated how things worked on the East side, and I doubt how classifiction dates are determined will change.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Airwoman,

I am addressing Jetmech, who is an east mechanic, not a west.

I clearly stated how things worked on the East side, and I doubt how classifiction dates are determined will change.

Well who knew?

And I doubt that classification date determination will stay the same. 😉 We've got to mix the oil and the water some how. 😀