US Pilot Labor Thread--ALL Pilot/Union Issues Discussed Here

[BoeingBoy]

The cult comment was kind of name calling wasn't it?

All you need to do is take the blinders off and see the words of some of your compatriots as they are...

Any traces of USAPA good, anyone against it bad?

Any traces of dissenting opinions discouraged or attacked?

Any traces of USAPA actions good, any other organization doing the same thing bad?

Any traces of unquestioning loyalty?

Starting to sound like a cult for some?

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

All you need to do is take the blinders off and see the words of some of your compatriots as they are...

Jim

You belong to a group called FFOCUS. Your group is telling everyone not to fly Us Airways in an effort to extort special privileges.

There is a slight conflict of interest when you come on this board to opine.

 

[BoeingBoy]

See PI brat...the cult like behavior is there. All one needs to do is look...

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

See PI brat...the cult like behavior is there. All one needs to do is look...

Jim

Nice try to be evasive about the conflict of interest. Are you denying you belong to a group that asked flyer's to avoid Us Airways?

 

[nycbusdriver]

See PI brat...the cult like behavior is there. All one needs to do is look...

Jim

And somehow you're missing the fact that everything you are saying about being cultlike also applies to you and your infatuation and defense of everything west. Any mirrors in your house?

 

[nostradamus]

You now have the dubious distinction of writing the second dumbest post on US Aviation! Congrats!

BB is retired he can and does have pass privelidges so given that he is not economically effected by either the outcome of the pilot negotiations or his personal travel decisions I fail to understand exactly where tthe conflict of interest exists.

Now Of course I'm only a dumb customer, there is no way I could ever match the intellect of an active US Airways East pilot so I could be wrong and I'm sure you'll enlighten me.

I await this enlightenment with the same anticipation that I do a double root canal.

Oh oh, the predictable tag team match by the ffocus posters. The question I asked, requires a yes or no, true or false type answer.

 

[cleardirect]

USAPA represents those who pay their dues and want to be represented. Thats good enough for me.

Snoop,

You had better check with the cult leader before you make a statement like that.

According to USAPA leadership they represent ALL US Airways pilots. The front page of the web site .

What is USAPA?
The US Airline Pilots Association represents 5,200 Mainline US Airways pilots.

The NMB says USAPA represents ALL pilots. Doug Parker says USAPA represents ALL the pilots.

Thank you for confirming what the west already know. That USAPA does not represent the west pilot in any way.

Better check with your masters your brain washing is slipping. Get your talking points right.

 

[Phoenix]

BB is retired he can and does have pass privelidges so given that he is not economically effected by either the outcome of the pilot negotiations or his personal travel decisions I fail to understand exactly where tthe conflict of interest exists.

Being a member of an organization that attempts to convince customers to fly an airline other than the one he retired from (if true) is by definition, conflicted. :blink: You presume his motivation can only be motivated by future economic impacts, but since you have so eloquently excluded future economic impact as a motivation, then the obvious alternative remains...the ax isn't sharp enough yet.

Come on Piney, you're smarter than that. Not every FFOCUS member is motivated by a hope to convince Doogie to cough up some economic benefits to FFers. Some honestly have no expectation that Doogie will come through, so what could possibly by their motivation to continue on with their campaign? And by the way, I don't blame them for venting. If a customer feels like they didn't get what they paid for then by all means make it known even if it won't do anything other than make them feel good to vent.

 

[nostradamus]

I asked a question to boeing boy, he gives the answer. His lack of response, in my book, is a nolo contendere plea.

Piney, if I had a dime where you accused me of something, calling attention to the moderator, I would be able to afford a very expensive copying machine.

 

[Pi brat]

All you need to do is take the blinders off and see the words of some of your compatriots as they are...

Any traces of USAPA good, anyone against it bad?

Any traces of dissenting opinions discouraged or attacked?

Any traces of USAPA actions good, any other organization doing the same thing bad?

Any traces of unquestioning loyalty?

Starting to sound like a cult for some?

Jim

No blinders here Jim. For 23 years I have watched my brothers and sisters, sometimes in wonder, sometimes in disgust. The thing is, the traits you list could be applied to any number of sub groups, west pilots included. Since you are not on the line any more you don't get to see some of THEIR bad behavior. As a matter of fact, the things you describe sound like a west pilot's web blog. You should see it, it's scary.

I'm no big USAPA fan. I didn't agree with them at the start and don't agree with a lot now, but I know there are some good guys in there working their tails off for us and they don't deserve to be called cult members.

There will always be zealots among us. I remember you going head to head with a few of them on the ALPA board and the thing is they probably considered you a zealot.

 

[nostradamus]

I should care about this why?

You are also a member of ffocus trying to protect someone who is ambulatory enough to care for himself.

If you have any questions about the ffocus group and how they operate, I will provide contact information below, good day sir.

Click here ffocus contact information.

 

[traderjake]

I didn't agree with them at the start and don't agree with a lot now, but I know there are some good guys in there working their tails off for us and they don't deserve to be called cult members.

There will always be zealots among us. I remember you going head to head with a few of them on the ALPA board and the thing is they probably considered you a zealot.

People who instruct you to "be a good union pilots" and the people who listen to that drivel are cult members.

 

[Pi brat]

People who instruct you to "be a good union pilots" and the people who listen to that drivel are cult members.

Let's see: Eastholes, goat herders, scabs and now cult members. Yep, you guys have a lock on the integrity thing. Here's a crazy idea, shut up and let the judge sort it out, you're embarrassing.

 

[Phoenix]

People who instruct you to "be a good union pilots" and the people who listen to that drivel are cult members.

Are you suggesting that ALPA didn't invent Kool-Aid? Lance and Marshal will be devastated if this is true.

 

[nostradamus]

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I was never a fan of the B scale, opposed it actually. But you willingly accepted the job under those conditions. And you're apparently willing to accept a "permanent" B scale by accepting this contract. So either stop complaining or vote No.


Traders response to boeing boy

"I did accept the job under those conditions and I'm not complaining. I stating a fact. The A scale pilots who came before me stabed me in the back. I'm not falling on the sword for them, at this or any other airline.

You better learn to accept the job under these conditions. Unless you can convince the guy on the street not to work for Airtran, America West, etc., voting no just make us unemployed. It will not prevent paycuts at this or any other airline."
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